SMITH Alexander/McLEAN Elizabeth

[smicker59]

Hi... just starting out on my family tree.... My grandfather Alexander Smith and family came to Belfast to work on the titanic and settled here. My grandmother was Elizabeth McLean... on their marriage lines his address was 6 Octavia st Port Glasgow, I think her address Ivybank, Port Glasgow His father was called William and mother Helen nee Harrison .. her father john and her mother was Martha I hope this will take someones notice Look forward to hearing from someone thank you x

 

[Ladybird1300]

Hello

Welcome to the forum, of course you could always add to your tree, there is no guarentee the right person will see your information. If you have any brick walls there may be someone here who can help

Amanda

 

[smicker59]

Wiliam and Helens address on their marriage lines is Woodburn Lodge Rutherglen.. Helens father William worked there as a gardener and Helen was a domestic servant there as well Helens mother was called Janet.

thank you xx

 

[smicker59]

Many thanks Amanda. I hope someone can help. Its frustrating now being in the same country lol

Karen x

 

[p.risboy]

When and where were they married, is there any ages given on the marriage cert.
Some dates of birth or death would be helpful, for this couple.

Have you tried ScotlandsPeople for certs etc.

Steve.

 

[smicker59]

I am on scotlands people but there are so many entries and its costing a fortune.. it dosnt help that they seemed to move around. he was a ships carpenter (journeyman) hence coming here to work on titanic. they were married on 25 feb 1868 he was 26 and she was 23 in Rutherglen but cant read the church. just know it was C of S. cant even obtain a birth cert at this stage coz i dont know where he was born

Many thanks Steve x

 

[Ladybird1300]

Hi Steve

Does it give the father's name and occupation on the marriage certificate??

Amanda

 

[smicker59]

hi Amanda, yes his fathers name was John Smith and he was to do with Customs Scotlands people just seem to be giving me soo many results because im not sure of a birth place for them x

Karen x

 

[Ellie7]

Think i'm getting mixed up.
Name:
Helen Harrison
Gender:
Female
Marriage Date:
25 Feb 1868
Marriage Place:
Rutherglen,Lanark,Scotland
Spouse:
William Smith

FHL Film Number:
6035516


Ellie

 

[Ellie7]

Have you looked the free Irish Census 1901/11

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/


Ellie

 

[Ladybird1300]

Yes I've just read the top again Ellie, and it does say William


Amanda

 

[smicker59]

Hi Ellie, yes that's all correct. Just no place of birth for any of them

Hi Amanda. William is my grandfather's Alexander s father. I think I'm just confusing everyone. Sorry. I'm new to this

Karen x

 

[smicker59]

Ellie, I have checked the 1911 census here. He's not on it. I'm assuming he arrived here some time in 1911 after the census was taken. He didn't sign covenant either in 1912 because he wouldn't been entitled being Scottish

Karen x

 

[barbarajoh]

When William and Helen married do you not have both sets of parents from the marriage record?

Remember deaths give a lot of information in Scotland so if you search for Helen Harrison (women died in their maiden name mostly) with other name Smith you should get her parents and you can then search in the census for her at least

Unless you think they all came to Belfast? I am not sure if you mean Alexander and family or he with his parents

Barbara

 

[barbarajoh]

There is this one in Camlachie, Lanarkshire but not sure if you have given us Alexander year of birth. Father born in Ireland so could explain Alexander going there. The only one I can find on census who is the right age to marry in 1868 and with wife Ellen but could well be on wrong path!

1901 census
William Smith Head Married Male 61 1840 Steel Work Labourer Ireland
Ellen Smith Wife Married Female 52 1849 - Thornliebank, Renfrewshire, Scotland
John Smith Son Single Male 19 1882 Carter Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Alexander Smith Son Single Male 16 1885 Grocer Message Boy Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Caroline K Smith Daughter - Female 12 1889 Scholar Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland

 

[smicker59]

Hi Barbara, Alexander came to Belfast with his wife Elizabeth. His father William was born in 1842 and his wife was Helen Harrison. I have them both at Woodburn Lodge in Rutherglen at their marriage in 1868 but don't have a parish to search birth records for William. Not even sure where my grandfather Alexander was born he was the only one that to Belfast for work at the ship yard. I'm going to check Titanic's work records to see what I can find

Thank you for your help. It's much appreciated

Karen x

 

[barbarajoh]

Helen and Ellen are the same names so could be them.

Do you know when Alexander was born, roughly from his marriage?

Barbara

 

[smicker59]

Hi Barbara, his DOB is 24 Mar 1875 but I'm not getting any results on Scotland's people

Karen x

 

[smicker59]

Barbara, pretty sure his father was Scottish

Karen x

 

[barbarajoh]

Here are the family in 1881

They are living at 8 Octavia Street, Greenock, Greenock East, Renfrewshire


Helen H Smith Head Widow Female 36 1845 Laundress Neilston, Renfrewshire, Scotland
Janet S Smith Daughter - Female 12 1869 Scholar Greenock, Renfrewshire, Scotland
John Smith Son - Male 9 1872 Scholar Greenock, Renfrewshire, Scotland
William H Smith Son - Male 7 1874 Scholar Greenock, Renfrewshire, Scotland
Alexander Smith Son - Male 6 1875 Scholar Greenock, Renfrewshire, Scotland
John Brown Boarder Unmarried Male 23 1858 Ship Joiner At Works Glenluce, Wigtownshire, Scotland
Alexander Brough Boarder Unmarried Male 32 1849 Marine Boiler Maker At Works Perth, Perthshire, Scotland