SNELLING family in Glamorgan in 1851

[DaveHam9]

I'd like a look up please for the SNELLING family in Glamorgan in 1851.

Joseph b. ?
spouse ?
Martha

Births Sep 1849
SNELLING Martha Neath 26 500

Death Reg# 1914/C3565 Bryant Martha Joseph Snelling - ** born Wales aged 65 years

I'm sorry but that's all I have. It may be mission impossible.

Regards,

Dave

 

[juliejtp]

Hi Dave,

The only Martha Snelling that comes up on the 1851 Welsh census age 1 born Neath, is with a Suzannah Snelling age 25 lodger married born in Kent (cant make out place name) and also a John Snelling age 3 in the civil parish of Neath. There is a Joseph Snelling lodger married born abt 1818 Ireland occ carpenter living in the civil parish of Cadoxton Juxta Neath

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello juliejtp,

Thanks you for looking.

I have a son, Robert BRYANT of Sophia SNELLING (parents William & Elizabeth) born 1833 Surrey married to a Martha SNELLING born 1849 Neath (parents Joseph & ?).

Now we have a Suzannah married to a SNELLING.

Robert & Martha named their first child Richard Hosegood so somewhere in the tree there is probably a HOSEGOOD. I wonder if it could be Martha's mother's name? Hmmmm.

Regards,

Dave

 

[joyceawood17]

Hi Dave

this appears to be her birth registery since if you order it u should be able to get parents names Joyce don't know if u have this or not since you already knew her month and year so u may already have it

Martha Snelling
Year of Registration: 1849
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Neath (1837-1970)
County: Breconshire, Glamorgan
Volume: 26
Page: 500

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello Joyce,

Yes, I have it but it will be some time yet before I can decide on priorities and actually order the few I can afford.

Meanwhile, I'm trying to sort out the BRYANT, SNELLING, HOSEGOOD connection. This is the only one I have found so far and it's the 'opposite' of what I was expecting to find:

Marriages Dec 1840 Devon
SNELLING Martha Honiton 10 181
HOSEGOOD William Honiton 10 181

31 Dec 1840 Salcombe Regis, Devon Batch: M051591

Regards,

Dave

 

[juliejtp]

Dave,

Just wondering where in Surrey was Robert born?

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello juliejtp,

Births Mar 1851
Bryant Robert Godstone 4 195
c. 9 Mar 1851 Caterham, Surrey, England Batch: C012292

1881
Source Information:
Dwelling Whiteleaf
Census Place Warlingham, Surrey, England
Family History Library Film 1341190
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 0806 / 21
Page Number 36

Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation
Robert BRYANT Head M Male 30 Caterham, Surrey Builder
Martha BRYANT Wife M Female 31 Swansea, Glamorgan
Richard H. BRYANT Son Male 4 Caterham, Surrey
Robert J. BRYANT Son Male 2 Caterham, Surrey
Alfred BRYANT Son Male 1 Warlingham, Surrey

Robert's mother, Sophia SNELLING was born in Horne:

c. 24 Nov 1833 Horne, Surrey William & Elizabeth Batch: C025105

Regards,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello juliejtp,

I am in contact with a descendant of Robert BRYANT. He lives in Queensland but has had virus problems with his computer and lost a lot of stuff so I've had no answers to my questions re the BRYANT - SNELLING connection for the past six months.

I can't sort out the Glamorgan - Surrey connection. This might help:

Please see if you can find this SNELLING family in Surrey in 1841. Thanks.

William b. ?
Elizabeth b. ?
Sophia b. 1833

c. 24 Nov 1833 Horne, Surrey William & Elizabeth Batch: C025105


Regards,

Dave

 

[juliejtp]

Hi Dave,

I havnt been able to trace this family in 1841 Surrey. There is Sophia Snelling age 7 in the civil parish of Caterham, RD Godstone. Other household members are:-

Mary Cullingham age 65
Ann Brown age 15

The household b/4 is a

Richard Cullingham age 35 occ ag lab
Sophia Cullingham age 35

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello juliejtp,

Thank you. It looks like the one with the Caterham, RD Godstone connection:

Deaths Mar 1892
Bryant Sophia 59 Godstone 2a 202

Deaths Sep 1899
Bryant Thomas 79 Godstone 2a 137

I'm not sure we can go much further with this one.

Regards,

Dave

 

[juliejtp]

From the 1861 census. So its looks like the Sophia Snelling 1841 is this Sophia.

Civil parish Caterham
The Village

Richard Cullingham head age 56 occ beer house keeper born Coulsden
Sophia wife age 57 born ?
Emma Snelling niece age 15 occ house serv born Horne
James Snelling brother age 37 occ journeyman butcher born Horne
James ----- boarder


Thomas Bryant head age 40 occ journeyman butcher born Caterham
Sophia wife age 27 born Horne
Robert son age 10 born Caterham
Emma dau age 8 born Caterham
Thomas son age 6 born Caterham
Ann dau age 3 born Caterham
Henry son age1 born Caterham

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello juliejtp,

Thank you very much. Yes, that solves where Sophia was in 1841.

The relationships are to the head of the household or to the household member searched for? So if Sophia was the one searched for then James is the brother of Richard's spouse Sophia?

The 1871 census says Thomas BRYANT was born in Coulsdon also.

Richard CULLINGHAM Spouse: SOPHIA SNELLING
Marriage: 25 DEC 1827 Coulsdon, Surrey, England
Batch: M013461

Well now brother and sister born 20 years apart - is that what we have? Emma's father is James?

I can't find a marriage for James in IGI that fits.

I wonder how much I'm missing that the BRYANT descendant knows? Oh well, we may already know more than he dooes.

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello juliejtp,

The Bryant descendant still says his computer has a virus and that he can't send me any info. He has been stalling for 9 months.

1881

Dwelling Whiteleaf
Census Place Warlingham, Surrey, England

Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation
Robert BRYANT Head M Male 30 Caterham, Surrey, Builder
Martha BRYANT Wife M Female 31 Swansea, Glamorgan
Richard H. BRYANT Son Male 4 Caterham, Surrey
Robert J. BRYANT Son Male 2 Caterham, Surrey
Alfred BRYANT Son Male 1 Warlingham, Surrey

Please see if you can find the family in 1891.

Thanks.

Dave

 

[juliejtp]

Hi Dave,

1891

Civil parish Couldson
RD Croydon
SubRD Croydon

Godstone Road
8 Station Cottages

Robert Bryant head age 40 occ builder born Baterham
Martha wife age 41 born Swansea
Richard H son age 14 occ Caterham
Robert J son age 12 born Caterham
Alfred son age 11 born Warlingham
Kathleen dau age 8 born Warlingham
Alice D dau age 6 born Coulsdon
Clara D dau age 3 born Coulsdon
John M son age (either 7mths or days transcribed as 7 1/2) born Coulsdon
plus 1 servant

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello juliejtp,

Thank you very much. I still can't find the connection between Martha and Sophia SNELLING.

Anyway, son Richard H died in Queensland in 1903. That is the earliest date I have found so far for any of the family in Australia. I can't find them on the shipping records yet so please see if you can find them in 1901. Thanks.

Regards,

Dave

 

[juliejtp]

Hi Dave,

I havnt been able to locate the family in 1901.

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello juliejtp,

Thanks for looking. I'm lucky, I can find all the births in FreeBMD. It's Richard Hosegood, Robert Joseph, Alice Dorothea, Clara Victoria and John McDonald.

Regards,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello juliejtp,

1861
Civil parish Caterham
The Village

Richard Cullingham head age 56 occ beer house keeper born Coulsden
Sophia wife age 57 born ?
Emma Snelling niece age 15 occ house serv born Horne
James Snelling brother age 37 occ journeyman butcher born Horne

Please see if you can find the family in 1851. Thanks.

This Sophia is probably a SNELLING too.

Regards,

Dave

 

[juliejtp]

Hi Dave,

I've already given you the 1851 census info for the Cullinghams.

 

[juliejtp]

Hi Dave,

An extracted record

Marriage

Richard Cullingham
Sophia Snelling

25 Dec 1827
Couldson Surrey