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Surname used as middle name, why?

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Please help me know why surnames are used as middle names in the 19th century.
What are the main reasons?

I've got stuck at 1820 with the baptism of 2 sons to James & Alice CHILD:
Henry Bellamy CHILD
Frederick Alfred Seaton CHILD

These names (Bellamy, Seaton) ought to be big clues, to help take these family lines backwards - but I'm not sure where to begin.
Thank you for all ideas.
 
Usually they have been named after a female Grandparents surname, so a double barreled name.
What was James and Alices mothers maiden names.? Or what was Alices maiden name.?
 
Hi and thank you for replying.
I am really new here, and still learning.

I don't know the mothers of either James or Alice - so I can't look at earlier generations, to see what's there.
James CHILD: I believe was illegitimate, we have a father's name on the baptism register [also James], but no Mum...

Alice's maiden name was GOULD, sometimes spelled GOLD but it should have the U.
I don't know her father.

So you feel that Bellamy + Seaton could refer to female grandparents' surnames, maybe one on each side of the family?
 
It's a good possibility. It has happened many times in my Family Tree. My 3xGreat Grandmothers maiden name was Graham, and that was used up until my Uncles. There is also the maiden name of my 4xGrandmothers, which was Pimlott within the same family line.
 
Thank you... let me write this out (I'm a visual sort of person).
There are 2 possible grandmothers, so we'd have::
.......................................................................................
Alice GOULD
Father GOULD. Mother unknown
Father's father GOULD married female BELLAMY
.........................................................................................
or
Alice GOULD
Mother unknown
Mother's father unknown, married female BELLAMY
..........................................................................................
Have I got it right?
How do you search for something, when so much is unknown?
How can I overcome these gaps? xx
 
Thanks for checking my chart :)
I've been trying out some searches, but no luck so far...
Why else did working class people add these extra names?
If not to honour a grandmother or mother, for what other reasons might they do it?
 
I can't say why some families use two or three given names and none of them a surname.

Some examples from my German line.

Johan Georg Heinrich Wriede
George Peter Wilhelm Wriede
Milly Dorothy Leonora Wriede
Olga Fredericka Alma Wriede


Some families add a given name which is a surname of a famous person.

Sarah Jane Gladstone Mellefont
George Eldon Mellefont
William Peel Mellefont
 
James Child
Spouse's Name Alice Gold
Marriage 2 May 1809
Event Place East Stonehouse, Devon, England

Married in Devon but two sons baptised in Bristol.

I can't find a baptism that might fit for Alice.

Lots of possible baptisms for James Child in many different counties.

Any children or grandchildren named Richard or Grace ?
 
James Child
Spouse's Name Alice Gold
Marriage 2 May 1809
Event Place East Stonehouse, Devon, England

Married in Devon but two sons baptised in Bristol.

I can't find a baptism that might fit for Alice.

Lots of possible baptisms for James Child in many different counties.

Any children or grandchildren named Richard or Grace ?
DaveHam9, thank you for your 2 posts, helpful!

Q: You say James CHILD + Alice GOLD married in Devon, and had 2 sons in Bristol.
How confident are you that the Devon couple are the same as the couple in Bristol?
I would be delighted if they are! but don't know how to prove it.

No, no grandchildren named Richard or Grace, these names are never used.
In later generations we have Thomas, John, Sarah, Louisa, Daniel...

Very grateful for your further thoughts :)
 
I can't say why some families use two or three given names and none of them a surname.

Some examples from my German line.

Johan Georg Heinrich Wriede
George Peter Wilhelm Wriede
Milly Dorothy Leonora Wriede
Olga Fredericka Alma Wriede


Some families add a given name which is a surname of a famous person.

Sarah Jane Gladstone Mellefont
George Eldon Mellefont
William Peel Mellefont
DaveHam9
This is so useful!
A famous person, yes... something to make the child's name extra-special.
You've got me thinking :)

I've looked among my known ancestors for other examples... we have:
Elizabeth TILL Gardner (Till = mother's name)
Matilda MANGIN Dalley - she was illegitimate, so Mangin could be her biological father's name...

I'm keen, now, to know more about this Devon couple.
The 1809 CHILD + GOLD seems to be the only available marriage for a James CHILD + Alice, is this what you see too?
 
Henry Bellamy Child
Birth Date 20 Mar 1813
Father's Name James Child
Mother's Name Alice
Event Type Christening
Event Date 19 Mar 1820
Event Place Bristol, Gloucestershire, England

Frederick Alfred Seaton Child
Father's Name James Child
Mother's Name Alice
Christening 2 Jan 1820
Event Place Bristol, Gloucestershire, England

The baptisms are a bit odd. Why not baptised the same day ? I wonder when Frederick was born?

The marriage in Devon is the only one found so far. No evidence it's the right one yet. Baptised in Bristol but they may or may not have been born there.

Trying to trace the family further back is proving very difficult. No other marriage found in Devon or Bristol for any combination of Gold, Gould, Bellamy, Seaton or Child.

Also proving difficult finding the family in census.
 
Henry Bellamy Child
Birth Date 20 Mar 1813
Father's Name James Child
Mother's Name Alice
Event Type Christening
Event Date 19 Mar 1820
Event Place Bristol, Gloucestershire, England

Frederick Alfred Seaton Child
Father's Name James Child
Mother's Name Alice
Christening 2 Jan 1820
Event Place Bristol, Gloucestershire, England

The baptisms are a bit odd. Why not baptised the same day ? I wonder when Frederick was born?

The marriage in Devon is the only one found so far. No evidence it's the right one yet. Baptised in Bristol but they may or may not have been born there.

Trying to trace the family further back is proving very difficult. No other marriage found in Devon or Bristol for any combination of Gold, Gould, Bellamy, Seaton or Child.

Also proving difficult finding the family in census.
Thank you for tackling this, and for helping.
Some thoughts:
1. The 'odd' baptisms 2 months apart. It's been suggested that Sunday 2 Jan 1820 was the intended church service for both, but Henry was unwell, and his baptism was rescheduled for his birthday weekend i.e. Sunday 19 March 1820.
2. Census: there is a marriage in Bristol 1821 for Alice CHILD + William EAMER (pronounced Amor). They are on Bristol 1841 census as Alice Amer & 3 children, no Wm (away for work?) This is the Alice who names her sons Gould-Eamer. In same road, same years, is a Henry CHILD born 1813, living 2 houses away (2 & 6 Oxford Road). This Henry CHILD was Born At Sea.

The Plymouth marriage [James CHILD + Alice GOLD, St George's East Stonehouse 1809] could indicate James CHILD is a sailor/Marine? The Marines are stationed at the East Stonehouse Barracks which is very close to the St George's church.

Do these details tie together well enough to link the Plymouth marriage to the Bristol baptisms?
 
The marriage was in 1809. Not sure yet. Ages in 1841 are supposed to be rounded down mod 5 so age should be 40-45. From age 68 in 1858 the 1841 census should round 51 down to 50. I don't have access to the image so can't say if it is clearly written as 40.
 
The marriage was in 1809. Not sure yet. Ages in 1841 are supposed to be rounded down mod 5 so age should be 40-45. From age 68 in 1858 the 1841 census should round 51 down to 50. I don't have access to the image so can't say if it is clearly written as 40.
Yes ages were rounded down.
Yes it does say 40 on the image.
But the 1851 census (age 65) is definitely the same Alice Amer (formerly CHILD). Same road, same relations, exact match.

So age 65 (in 1851) and age 68 (in 1858) seem to be closer to the truth. She was "in her sixties" in the 1850s.
This would make her about 20 in 1809 for the marriage.
 
I looked at the Devon PR and BT but can't find the 1809 marriage.

It looks to fit. But connecting Seaton and Bellamy is proving difficult.

A burial for James ?
 
I looked at the Devon PR and BT but can't find the 1809 marriage.

It looks to fit.

A burial for James ?
Thank you for your time.
The 1809 marriage was at a church which was bombed in WW2, records destroyed.
Devon Archives hold the BTs (not online). They have looked for me.
The transcript says only "James CHILD m. Alice GOLD 1809". No other details.

It looks to fit, you think?

A burial for James could be Southampton 1839.
There's a RN seaman James CHILD marries age 48 in Southampton 1829, 4 children.
His Navy Pension records show his ship was sent to Canada Dec. 1812 [Son's Birth at sea, March 1813?]
 
... marriage in Bristol 1821 for Alice CHILD + William EAMER ...

I would have thought a burial for James would be 1820 - 1821 ?
 
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