Susan Elizabeth Peach - 1869. Coleshill, Warks.

[p.risboy]

Hi folks. I've got my self cross eyed and totally confused. Need fresh eyes and thoughts to try and sort her and her hubby out.

Here's what I think I've found, so bear with me.

Susan Elizabeth Peach was baptised(IGI)24 Jan 1869, in Coleshill, by her mother Maria Peach. (Birth reg is 1868. Meriden, Warks.)

Maria Peach married John Moult in 1872 - Aston, Warwickshire(B'Ham).

John Moult was born c 1842 @ Middleton, Warks.

In 1881 census, Susan E. Peach in now Susan E Moult, understandably.

Susan E. Moult married William Joseph Hives/Ives in 1915. Wandsworth.

William Joseph Hives/Ives was born c1868 Battersea, London. Not found after 1891. When he is living with Susan and daughter, Dorcas Ives/Hives, c1890. Wimbledon.

Dorcas Ives/Hives shows up in 1901 as Grandaughter to George Brown(1854. Wimbledon) and Dorcas Brown(1851. Oxfordshire). Living in South Wimbldon.

Dorcas Ives/Hives married Charles Henry Williams in 1907. Kingston, Surrey.

In 1911 she is living with Dorcas Hives 1835. Lower Heyford, Oxon. (She married William Ives/Hives in 1857. Thornton, Bucks.)

Dorcas Ives(1835) is lost after 1871.

But her hubby William Ives/Hives b.1836. Hogston(Hoggesden), Bucks is found through all the census.

In 1911, William Ives/Hives is in Tooting Home, for the Infirm and aged,(Inmate), and in 1901 he is living with his daughter Ann Duke(nee.Ives/Hives) c1858. Thornborough, Bucks.

Questions.

1). Where was Susan E. Peach/Moult, in 1871 & 1901. (Down as being born Lower Heyford in 1911)

2). Where was Dorcas Ives/Hives(nee. Horwood)(1835. Lower Heyford)), in 1881,1891 & 1901 census.

3). Where was William Joseph Ives/Hives from 1891 to 1915.**


If you can make sense of any of this, and can help........please do.:2fun::2fun:


Steve.

** EDITED.

 

[barbarajoh]

What do you know about Maria, Steve, have you found her on the 1871?

Barbara

 

[barbarajoh]

First part of first question solved!

PEACH, Charles Head M 64 1807 Warwickshire VIEW
PEACH, Maria Wife F 64 1807 Warwickshire VIEW
PEACH, Harriet Daughter F 33 1838 Warwickshire VIEW
PEACH, Susey Elzth Granddaughter F 3 1868 Warwickshire VIEW

Piece:3162

Folio:77

Page: 27

Registration District: Meriden

Civil Parish: Coleshill

Municipal Borough:

Address: High Street Cottage, Coleshill

County: Warwickshire


with her granny and grandpa

Barbara

 

[barbarajoh]

Are you sure about the 1911 one you found? Cos this one looks a possible

Walter Kelsey
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1892
Registration district: Meriden
Inferred County: Warwickshire
Volume Number: 6d
Page Number: 729 (click to see others

One of the possible brides is a Susie Elizabeth Poolton

and this is like your Susie


Susie E Kelsey
Age in 1911: 43
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Coleshill, Warwickshire, England
Civil parish: Coleshill
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Street Address: High Street Coleshill Warwickshire
Marital Status: Married
Registration district: Meriden
Registration District Number: 386
Sub-registration district: Coleshill
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Piece: 18392
Household Members: Name Age
Walter Kelsey 45
Susie E Kelsey 43
William Robert Kelsey 16
Dorothy Kelsey 14
Amy Elizabeth Kelsey 9

feel free to tell me if I am off my eggs! Lower Heyford is in Oxfordshire, isn't it?

Barbara

 

[barbarajoh]

I am off my eggs. Two Susie Elizabeth in the same village. Susie Poolton was the daughter of Robert Poolton and Elizabeth

Sorry Steve, back to the drawing board.

Barbara

 

[p.risboy]

This the one I found.

1911 census.

Susan Hives
42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation to Head: Mother

Born - Lower Heyford, Oxfordshire.
Civil parish: Wimbledon
Surrey

Address- 22 William Rd, Wimbledon.
Married
Years -23
Est Marriage Year - 1888.
Occ. Card Box Making
Reg district-Kingston

Sub-reg dist- Wimbledon
ED 17
House sched No. 481

Dorcas Williams 22. b.Wimbledon. (Dorcas Ives/Hives). Married - Charles Henry Williams in 1907.))
Patricia Williams 2. Daughter. b. Wimbledon.
Dorcas Hives 76. b. Lower Heyford. (Granny to Dorcas Ives/Hives, above).
Susan Hives 42. b. Lower Heyford.
Edith Hives 17. b. Battersea. (Not sure where she popped up from).?? But I think she's the daughter of George Ives/Hives & Ada Rebecca. (Doubly entered in her parents abode).

Alfred Slade 30. b. Burstwick, Berks. (Boarder.)


Steve.

 

[barbarajoh]

FMP has William as William Thomas Ives in 1891. There is a Wm Ives in Newington London in 1901 with father Edward. Same occupation as William t - carman - and single born Walworth, London? Any chance same person, do you know his father's name?

Not that it helps find susie if it is!

Barbara

 

[p.risboy]

Hi Barbara, and to think I was the only going one nuts over this mob.:2fun:

Baptism - 24 Jul 1836. - William Ives son of Charlotte HOWSE of Hoggeston, Servant, reputed father William IVES of Up Missenden.

Charlotte Howse never married his reputed father.:2fun:

William Hows with G.Parents in Hogston. 1841.
William Ives with G.Father & his new wife in Hogston. 1851.

Thornton, Bucks. St Michael & All Angels. 12 Jul 1857
William(x)HIVES, aged fa, Bachelor of Thornborough, Labourer son of William Hives, Farmer
Dorcas HORWOOD, aged fa, Spinster of this parish daughter of Joseph Horwood, Labourer.

Witnesses Joseph(x)Horwood & Edith(x)Howes.


That's from the parish regs, and not any certs.


Steve.

 

[barbarajoh]

Well, what a family. My head is birling.

Have you found William Ives in the 1881 census? Can you tell me where he is?



I don't like being beat and can't understand how Dorcas Brown can be a grandmother as well as Dorcas Ives. If they were the same age I would say same person especially as Dorcas Brown changed her place of birth in every census and her age. They also have a Wm Brown born Battersea with them in the 1881 aged 13. But if you have found him elsewhere that is another ship blown out the water.

Perhaps she reverted back to Ives when George died. It is something to do with this Brown family, it has to be.

Barbara

 

[p.risboy]

William Ives c1837 Hogston, is in Battersea, with son George Ives c1860 Taunton(Thornton), Bucks.

They're in the household of George Gates c1846. Southampton, as boarders.

RG11; Piece: 647; Folio: 137; Page: 25.

Not found William Ives/Hives junior(1868. Battersea), in 1881/1901/1911........only 1871 & 1891.

Maybe I've got some wires crossed.


Steve.

 

[barbarajoh]

No, found him steve, it was the 1868 one, I am wondering if he is William Brown living with Dorcas and George Brown in the 1881 aged 13.

Hey,hard not to have wires crossed with this family.
Barbara

 

[p.risboy]

I think possibly there's been a mistake with the 1901 census, and it is Dorcas Ives(snr.) and Dorcas Ives(jnr).

Maybe Brown and age, is a red herring. I can't see any marriage for a Brown & Ives/Hives, even taking into account of the age of Dorcas 'Brown'.

Too many census records 'missing' to make a judgement really.

 

[barbarajoh]

I can't find a marriage for a George Brown to a Dorcas either! So perhaps they weren't married.

I agree you would have to start buying certificates to look into it further. They are like a Romany family, changing names as they please.

Will give up before I get frustrated with the Ives!

 

[p.risboy]

Thanks for the help Barbara, much appreciated.

To save my sanity, I'll leave this bunch of Ives for a while.

But I have found out, William Ives/Hives junior, was a haulier/haulage contractor of some sort, so he could have been on the road and missed the census. Can't say where his wife Susan(nee.Peach), was though, may she was with him.

Time for a break.:2fun: