The AITKEN brothers

[barbarajoh]

Hi Dave,

Broughton is actually in Peebleshire but heading towards Penicuik rather than Edinburgh so I wondered if looking in the city is the wrong place to look. They may just have said Edinburgh as it is close and people would know it. Saying that I have looked and can't find a def in Peebleshire but can look at the archives for nowt next Thursday, see if I can pick them up for you.

told you you would get to my area eventually.

Barbara

 

[DaveHam9]

Hi Dave,

Broughton is actually in Peebleshire but heading towards Penicuik rather than Edinburgh so I wondered if looking in the city is the wrong place to look. They may just have said Edinburgh as it is close and people would know it. Saying that I have looked and can't find a def in Peebleshire but can look at the archives for nowt next Thursday, see if I can pick them up for you.

told you you would get to my area eventually.

Barbara

Thanks Barbara.

The way the details are set out on the shipping record I think the 'Edinboro' is a ref to Midlothian not to the city Edinburgh.

A farm labourer and a shepherd so that rules out lots with trades in 1851 census.

The 'Robert & Isabella Borthwick' bit on the death reg is a real mystery.

I'm working on the assumption they are brothers and that the info in shipping record with James & Isabella is more reliable than the death reg.

 

[barbarajoh]

One of them said Broughton, didn't he - so will look there and see if I can pin point any Aitkens to a James and Isabella born there.

Barbara

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Barbara.

Yes 4 Jan 1852 - George 23 Farm labourer Broughton Edinboro and Thomas 26 Shepherd Edinboro

 

[DaveHam9]

A daughter has a middle name of Borthwick so it fits in somehow. But is it Robert or James who married Isabella?

 

[barbarajoh]

Will get back to you Thursday, Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Ok, thanks Barbara.

I looked at the film again and didn't notice anything I had missed first time.

 

[DaveHam9]

Barbara, help! :biggrin:

I'm still lost.

Dave

 

[pengrove]

Hello

interested in your thread re: Aitken brothers. I'm descended from Thomas Aitken and Margaret Storey/Storrie through their dau Isabella Borthwick Covington, later Bryant (nee Aitken).

I've not managed to find a birth record for George and Thomas about which I have any confidence. However, Thomas' first arrived in Aust on the 'Herald' in 1841 and was aged 19 and listed his parents as John, a wright, and Margaret his wife (just to confuse matters more). His place of origin was Penicuick, near Edinburgh (actually Peebleshire).

He returned to Scotland to marry Margaret Storrie in 1851 (in Penicuick) before returning to Australia (with George Aitken and Janet Cairns).

The naming pattern (partic Isabella Borthwick) has recurred in both families.

I have wondered if the Scottish naming tradition is (partly) in play.

Thomas and Margaret's children, in order, were:

Elizabeth Aitken (maternal grandmother's name)
Isabella Borthwick Aitken
Jane Munsden Aitken (could be Lumsden)
John Aitken
Margaret Murray Aitken
Charlotte Aitken

 

[barbarajoh]

Sure Dave will be in touch when next on line Pengrove.

Dave I am so sorry not to get back to you in 2012!!:'(

I think this couple have to be using one of the non conformist churches as they are not showing in the records at all. Nor are they showing as deaths either.

Will keep looking though.

Barbara

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Barbara.

I didn't get back to this topic until yesterday.

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello pengrove and welcome to the Forum


This is a branch of my tree off the main line. It's not very easy to follow and I'm still not sure what is correct and what is not. I still don't know how Borthwick comes into it. And I'm still not sure if they are brothers.

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

How did Thomas arrive twice assisted?

Parents John & Margaret ??

Thomas Aitken
Age 19
Native Residence Place Penicuik,
Father's Name John Aitken (Wright)
Mother's Name Margaret
Ship Name Herald
Event Date 15 Jul 1841
Volume 46

Aitken Thomas 19 Shepherd Presbyterian Both Edinburgh Bounty £19

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Thomas 26 Shepherd Edinbro James & Isabella both dead CofS Both None Good None **
Margaret 25 Dom Servt. Pennycuik near Edinboro. Robert & Elizabeth Storey mother living in Pennycuik CofS Both

Parents James & Isabella ??

Death 1877/C01478 Aitken Thomas - - * aged 57 years ?

How do we prove they are brothers?

Dave

 

[barbarajoh]

Aitken is a very common name around here so there could have been two Thomas'

Can we have both sets of children with dates to see if there are spaces?

We need a burial or just get a handle on these Aitkens, or even better a stone but that might be asking too much. I have checked Peebles MIs and will try Penicuik tonight at the Archives. (and let you know in 2020!)

And perhaps see what non conformist churches there are around Penicuik, midlothian and Broughton Peeblesshire.

Barbara

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Barbara.

1st April 2020 will be fine thanks. :biggrin:

Not sure if 1841 Thomas is the same one.

Assume they are brothers.

George 23 [28] Farm labr. Broughton Edinbro. James & Isabella both dead

Index has 23 but image looks like 28 in 1852.

Death 1882/B15290 Aitken George - Robert [?] Aitken - Isabella Borthwick

Cemetery record has no age.

Father is probably James not Robert and mother is probably Isabella. Not sure if Borthwick is her maiden name.

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

I'll work on the children. The first two are baptism records so I'll have to look up the birth dates

Children
1854/BBP2440 Aitken John James George Janet - * 1852
1854/BBP2519 Aitken Janet Cairnes George Janet Cairnes * 1854
1856/B000031 Aitken Isabella Margaret Bothwick George Janet Cairnes

1859 Thomas Cairns

1862/B0958 Georgina Aitken George Jennet Cairnes **

1864/B002513 Aitken David George Janet Cairns
1873/B015801 Aitken Elizabeth Mary George Janet Cairnes

No others in the birth index. Two gaps. At least two children with middle names missing but don't know yet where they fit - Catherine Alexandra and Thomas Cairns.

Janet CAIRNS parents Thomas & Janet (Draper)

 

[DaveHam9]

1854 BBP2590 Elizabeth Aitken Thomas Margaret Storey * 1853
1854 BBP2589 Isabella Borthwick Aitken Thomas Margaret Storey * 1854
gap
1858 B00763 John Aitken Thomas Margaret Storey
1862 B00957 Margaret Aitken Thomas Margaret Storey

No others in the birth index.

Margaret STOREY/STORIE's parents Robert & Elizabeth.

Elizabeth Aitken (maternal grandmother's name)
Isabella Borthwick Aitken
Jane Munsden Aitken (could be Lumsden)
John Aitken
Margaret Murray Aitken
Charlotte Aitken

 

[DaveHam9]

Don't know yet where a Georgina and a Marian Moffat would fit.

Death 1942 B58995 Marion Moffatt Wallace George Aitkin Janet Cairns

Deaths for some not in the birth index but no age at death.

This will take more than a few hours.

Death 1873/B08089 Aitken Catherine Alexandra George Aitken Janet Cairnes

1873 a birth notice for a daughter to Mrs George Aitken

No death/funeral notice

Death 1893/C02814 Aitken Thomas Cairns George Aitken Janet Cairns

Can't find a birth.

Oh. Age at death points to 1854. Now don't know where he fits. Before or after Janet Cairns.

Looks like
1st son - John
1st dau - Janet
2nd son - Thomas
2nd dau - Isabella

George's parents = John & Isabella ??

Shipping record - James & Isabella

Death reg - Robert & Isabella

Ignore Robert.

 

[DaveHam9]

Thomas

1st dau - Elizabeth
2nd dau - Isabella
1st son - John

Again looks like John & Isabella for Thomas

Shipping record - James & Isabella

 

[DaveHam9]

Thomas arriving twice assisted listing different parents makes little sense. Father listed as a 'wright' so why would the sons be a farm lab or shepherd?

I still can't find George or Thomas in 1841.