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Theodore FRANZ & Mary Ann BEST

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Qld. Marriage 2 Mar 1859/B0073 Franz Theodore - Best Mary Ann

2 March 1859 is a Wednesday.

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The Moreton Bay Courier - Saturday 7 March 1859
By special license, by the Rev. T. G. Wagner, on Monday, the 2nd March, Mr. Theodore Franz, German Station, to Mary Anne, third daughter of Mr. Thomas Best, of Tanderagie, county of Armagh, Ireland.


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Name:
Frederick Theodore Franz
Death Age:
77
Birth Date:
abt 1814
Death Date:
22 May 1891
Cemetery:
Nundah Cemetery
Cemetery Location:
Brisbane, Queensland
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Name:for him
Theodore Frantz
Birth Year:
abt 1815
Age:
23
Gender:
Male
Arrival Date:
9 Apr 1838
Vessel Name:
Minerva
Origin Location:
Prussia, Province of Pomerania, Town of Stolbery
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Name:
Frederick Theodore Franz
Estimated birth year:
abt 1814
Age:
37
Birth Place:
Prussia
Date Arrived:
1838
Naturalization Date:
5 Apr 1851
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Tree on ancestry

Friedrich Leopold Theodore Franz
Birth 23 Jan 1814 in Stolberg, Pomerania, Germany Death 22 May 1891 in Brisbane, Queensland, Australia

2nd marriage for him

Mary Ann Best
Birth 1835 in Tangrangee, Armagh, Ireland Death 30 Mar 1911 in Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
 

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Thanks Ellie.

Sister Jane is the one in my tree. Brother John Best also arrived.

I have not sorted these out yet. Looks like we have two families.

Baptisms in Queensland
1854/BBP0207 Franz Ambrose Andrew - Frederick Theodore - Caroline Charlotte Dorothea -
1854/BBP2354 Franz Edward Benjamin - Theodore - Maria Weiss
1854/BBP2324 Franz Jane - Theodor - Maria -

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1854 BBU553 Charlotte Caroline Dorothy Frantz - - Buried 22/02/1855

Death 1898/C03914 Benjamin Edward Franz - Theodore Franz - ** born Queensland aged 53 years


Born Qld. and mother is Maria Weiss then we have a Theodore and a Frederick Theodore. One died 1891 so a death for the other and for Maria ?? I can't see those two deaths using Franz or Frantz.

The marriage to Mary Ann just has the name as Theodore.
 
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Qld. Marriage 2 Mar 1859/B0073 Franz Theodore - Best Mary Ann

2 March 1859 is a Wednesday.

There is something very wrong.

The Moreton Bay Courier - Saturday 7 March 1859
By special license, by the Rev. T. G. Wagner, on Monday, the 2nd March, Mr. Theodore Franz, German Station, to Mary Anne, third daughter of Mr. Thomas Best, of Tanderagie, county of Armagh, Ireland.
Marriage 1526/1857 FRANZ THEODORE - BEST MARY ANNE - BRISBANE MORETON BAY ** 2 Mar

This is the correct notice so there is an error in the Qld. BMD with the year of the marriage.

The Moreton Bay Courier (Brisbane, Qld. : 1846 - 1861) - Saturday 7 March 1857 p.2
MARRIED
By special license, by the Rev. T. G. Wagner, on Monday, the 2nd March, Mr. Theodore Franz, German Station, to Mary Anne, third daughter of Mr. Thomas Best, of Tanderagie, county of Armagh, Ireland.

Tandragee (from Irish: Tóin re Gaoith, meaning "backside to the wind") is a village on the Cusher River in County Armagh, Northern Ireland.
 
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http://missionaries.griffith.edu.au/qld-mission/zion-hill-mission-1838-1848

Carl Theodor Franz, tailor, and Maria (nee Weiss)

Friedrich Theodor Franz (1814-1891)
Also referred to as Karl or Charles Theodor Franz, and as Frederick Theodore Franz, a tailor by trade, he was a Gossner graduate from Pomerania. He embarked on the journey to Zion Hill as a bachelor, but married Maria nee Weiss (b.1811), the widow of Moritz Schneider. By 1841 they had two children. At public auction in March 1863 they acquired 25 acres and remained as settlers at Nundah. Franz died at age 77.

Something is not right.

The party consisted of five married artisans, Ambrosius Theophilus Wilhelm Hartenstein (1811-1861), Johann Gottfried Haussmann (1811-1901), Johann Peter Niqué (1811-1903), Franz Joseph August Rodé (1811-1903), Johann Leopold Zillmann (1813-1892), and four single artisans, August Albrecht (b.1816), Ludwig Dögé, Friedrich Theodore Franz (1814-1891) and Johann Gottfried Wagner (1809-1893). Lang engaged them to conduct a mission somewhat on the Moravian plan.


Do we have 1x and he married 3 times in Australia, but first two marriages can't be found. ???
 
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Baptisms
5122/1840 V18405122 47 FRANZ JANE F D - THEODOR - MARIA
445/1844 V1844445 48 FRANZ EDWARD B - THEODORE - MARIA

3896/1847 V18473896 32A FRANZ AMBROSE A - FREDERICK T - CAROLINE C D
3138/1851 V18513138 56 FRANTZ CLARA D P - THEODORE - CHARLOTTE C D

Burial 1291/1855 V18551291 110 FRANTZ CHARLOTTE C D AGE 44


No marriage to either and no death for Maria. Coincidence Maria was born 1811 or ... ???
 
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Did Charlotte have four given names? I doubt it.

[arrived] ... a bachelor, but married Maria nee Weiss (b.1811), the widow of Moritz Schneider.
The 'bachelor' bit is documented in several places. I don't know the source of the rest of that statement.

I can't see a death for Schneider.
 
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Baptisms
5122/1840 V18405122 47 FRANZ JANE F D - THEODOR - MARIA
445/1844 V1844445 48 FRANZ EDWARD B - THEODORE - MARIA

3896/1847 V18473896 32A FRANZ AMBROSE A - FREDERICK T - CAROLINE C D
3138/1851 V18513138 56 FRANTZ CLARA D P - THEODORE - CHARLOTTE C D

Burial 1291/1855 V18551291 110 FRANTZ CHARLOTTE C D AGE 44
I'll look those up on film at the local library tomorrow afternoon but I doubt they will solve the problem.
 

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I have copies now and Maria is just Maria and C C D is just C C D.

Nothing in the baptism records to suggest it's not different mothers. No mixing of Maria with Caroline or Charlotte or Dorothea.

One baptism confirms her name as Maria Weiss.

Missing two marriages for Theodore and a death for Maria then. ???
 
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Bap V18513138 56/1851 FRANTZ CLARA D P - THEODORE - CHARLOTTE C D ** error 1855

Image has year as 1855 and parents as Theodore & Charlotte C D Frantz

Is this an error or is Maria Weiss and C C D the same person?

Death 1859/B0321 Franz Clara Dorothea Patience - Frederick Leopold Theodore Franz - Dorothea Weiss

The Moreton Bay Courier (Brisbane, Qld. : 1846 - 1861) - Saturday 19 March 1859 p.2
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At the German Station, on Saturday last, Clara Dorothea Patience, aged four years, the beloved daughter of Mr. Theodore Franz.
 
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Oh.

Death 1916/B24596 Franz William Frederick - Frederick Theodore Franz - Maria Charlotte Dorothea Weiss

Death 1919/B29219 Franz Johann David - Theodor Friedrich Franz - Caroline Dorothea Weiss
 

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Bap V18405122 47/1840 FRANZ JANE F D - THEODOR - MARIA

Presbyterian Baptisms solemnized by the German Missionaries at Zionshill Moreton Bay
No. 9 When Baptised: 20 Sept. 1840 When Born: 10 Sept. 40 Jane - F. L. Theodor & Maria Franz Abode: Zionshill Moreton Bay Quality or Profession: Lay-Missionary By whom the Ceremony was performed: Revd. W. Schmidt

Bap V1844445 48/1844 FRANZ EDWARD B - THEODORE - MARIA

Presbyterian Baptisms in the District of Moreton Bay in the County of Stanley 1845
Edward Benjamin - Theodore Franz & Maria Weiss Abode: German Mission Station Quality or Profession: Lay-Missionary When Born: The 30th December 1844 When Baptised: The 16th February 1845 By whom the Ceremony was performed: C. W. E. Schmidt Min.

Bap V18473896 32A/1847 FRANZ AMBROSE A - FREDERICK T - CAROLINE C D

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Baptisms Administered in the Parish of - in the County of - in the Year 18-
No. 14 When Baptised: June 20th When Born: May 7th Ambrose Andrew - Frederick Theodore & Caroline Charlotte Dorothea Franz Abode: Mount Sion Quality or Profession: Tailor By whom the Ceremony was performed: John Gregor

Bap V18513138 56/1851 FRANTZ CLARA D P - THEODORE - CHARLOTTE C D ** error 1855

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Wesleyan Baptisms solemnized in the Morton Bay Circuit in the County of Stanley in the Year 1855
No. 823 When Baptised: ? [margin] 1855 When Born: 4th Feby. 1855 Clara Dorothy Patience - Theodore & Charlotte C D Frantz Abode: German Station Quality or Profession: Farmer By whom the Ceremony was performed: Revd. Nathaniel Turner
 
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