Thomas ANGEL born Ashburton, Devon

[horse]

Can't find anything else about the 'Minerva' apart from a paddle steamer that was wrecked 1847, travelled between Liverpool and Ireland

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

1847 MINERVA from Kilcaldy, Scotland - Captain Reid, David arrived Port Adelaide on 5-03-1847

381 ton Schooner

http://www.yesteryears.co.nz/shipping/passlists/minerva.html


Another one did the Liverpool - Cork trade.

One was a convict vessel making several trips to NSW between 1800 and 1839.

and another

The three ships bringing Fencibles for Howick in 1847 were the "Minerva", "Sir Robert Sale", and "Sir George Seymour". The Minerva, a Barque of 691 tons, reached Auckland from London on October 8, 1847 with 80 rank and file Royal New Zealand Fencibles, 69 women and 147 children. During the voyage one woman and six children died, and six children were born. Many adults were plagued with scurvy and dysentery.

 

[horse]

Not sure where Elizabeth was when they married, there is this, but occ. not convincing

Stephn Angel
Electoral Year: 1856
Subdistrict: Ballaarat East
State: Victoria
District: North Grant
[Fruiterer. Main Road]

Geoff

 

[horse]

Have to go now, Dave. Speak later.

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Geoff.

We can have a look at events in Victoria tomorrow. His brother Samuel also ended up in Victoria.

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Victorian Government Gazette 1859, Part 2,
At the Receipt and Pay Office, Ballaarat
Lister, Cornelius, and Angel, Stephen 13 3-10p., Ballaarat

Victorian Government Gazette 1860, Part 3,
At the Receipt and Pay Office, Ballaarat
Lister, Cornelius, and Angel, Stephen 12 1-10p., Ballaarat

Lister & Angel General Store Ballarat 1863-1865 advertisements in 'Talbot Leader'

Melbourne Directory 1865 (Sands & McDougall)
Angel, Stephen, merchant, 125 Little Londsdale-street west

Melbourne Directory 1870 (Sands & McDougall)
Heidelberg-road – North Fitzroy
Angel, Stephen Reilly-street

Melbourne Directory 1875 (Sands & McDougall) by alphabetical list
Angel, Stephen, china & earthenware dealer 195 Swanston-street

Melbourne Directory 1875 (Sands & McDougall) by trade list
China, Earthenware & Glass Dealers
Angel, Stephen, 195 Swanston-street

 

[DaveHam9]

http://museumvictoria.com.au/collections/items/770900/negative-ballarat-victoria-circa-1875
Record Number: MM 004067
Description
WAGONS BEING LOADED WITH CASKS OF SPIRITS AT LISTER & ANGEL, WINE AND SPIRITS MERCHANTS.
Date: CIRCA 1875
Location: AUSTRALIA VICTORIA BALLARAT

 

[horse]

Oh! Looks as though that was him in 1856...

Will have to see where Samuel is

Geoff

 

[horse]

Samuel and family look to be still in Paisley in 1851.. Ref: ED:3; Page: 9; Line: 7; Roll: CSSCT1851_124

Nothing leaping out for 1861, so possible arrival 1851-1861..

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Geoff.

Stephen in partnership with others was a seller of all sorts of things at various times.


1851 Census
Angel Paisley Low - 13 Bridge St
Name Age Ward Enum Page Line Occupation
Samuel 23 464 3 9 7 Starcher
Janet 22 8 Warp Winder
Anne 3 9
Samuel 8mo 10
Mary Clymont lodger 28 Weaver warp winder Paisley, Renfrew
Thomas Clymont 6 Paisley, Renfrew [England]
John Clymont 4 Paisley, Renfrew [England]

ANGEL SAML 27 - SEP 1854 'FITZJAMES' B 076 011

Arrived 12 Sep from Liverpool.

ANGEL, SAMUEL.
Event
Missing friends
25 SEP 1854
Place:
Victoria
Source:
'Argus' missing friends index 1854-1855.
Author/compiler: Button, Marion.
Comment:
YOUR BROTHER STEPHEN WISHES YOU TO WRITE TO HIM

1861
Civil Parish: Paisley Low Church
Registration District: Paisley Low Church
County: Renfrewshire
Address: 7 Stow Street
Janet ARROL Head 37 Millworker Paisley, Renfrewshire
Janet ARROL mother 72 Paisley, Renfrewshire [Ann]
Mary ARROL dau 6 Paisley, Renfrewshire
Christina McKAY boarder 18 Millworker Paisley, Renfrewshire
Christina ARROL dau 1 Mo Paisley, Renfrewshire


There is a report in the Port Phillip Herald 15/1/1856 p. 7 col 3 of an inquest on Samuel Angel who died in an industrial accident at Corduory Bridge near Ballaarat. Inquest held on 10th - Injured in boiler explosion on 7th and died on 8th.

Corduory Bridge now called Clarendon.

Dave

 

[horse]

I looked for Janet in 1861 because there is a tree that suggested Samuel d. 1856 Vic. and had the same arrival. There is a flaw in that arrival, the image says he is English!

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

1855 ANGE MARY CLARK F ABBEY BURGH /RENFREW 559/01 0036

1855 Births in the Parish of Abbey in the Burgh of Paisley Registered by Robert Waterston
No. 36 - Angel, Mary Clark (Present) - Female - 1855 February Nineteenth 9h. 0m. A.M. - 3 Neilson street Paisley - Samuel Angel Labourer (Presently in Australia) 28 Years, Paisley - 1847 [1846] Paisley, 1 Boy Living, 2 Boys and 1 Girl deceased - Janet Angel Maiden Name Arrol Her 5th child, 28 years Paisley - ? Clark Grandmother - 1855 February 23rd at Paisley Robert Waterston Registrar

 

[horse]

If that death is correct, has Janet & offspring returned to Scotland?

Geoff

 

[horse]

If that death is correct, has Janet & offspring returned to Scotland?

Geoff

Or, did Janet never get to Vic.?

 

[DaveHam9]

I don't have Samuel's birth date. I got this off fiche at the Paisley Library:

573.3/6 FR1034 (Angle) Bap 27 Aug 1826 Paisley Low

Departed Liverpool so that's a error.

 

[DaveHam9]

No, only Samuel left Scotland.

This was hard to read so it may not be 100% accurate from the Paupers Book in Paisley Library

Index to Paupers 1839-1883 - Series 11 Vol 11/1-11/20
Statement #6478 17 Feb 1853 Angell Samuel
Statement:
Samuel Angel age 27 and wife aged 26 of Charleston Abbey - Samuel 2 1/2 and John 5/12
Place of Birth: 99 Causeyside - Can read - cannot write
Parents: Thomas Angel Dead Mary Clark Dead
John Arrol Dead Ann Tytler Alive

99 Causeyside 1826-1832
13 Prussia St 1832-1846
13 Bridge St June 1846 - Feb 1853

Employed as a Starcher by Tho, Dykes - No Means - Earnings 11/- Weekly from Parish.
Has a brother Thomas in England and his family chargable Feb Mar Apr 1853
Samuel went from Paisley 10 June 1854
and died 9 Jan 1856 Carduory ? near Melbourne, Vic.
Widow applies living in 3 Smith Sq Abbey Parish since June 1854 prior 13 Bridge St June 1846 - June 1854.
Works in Rodgers Mill - Has average 6/- weekly - Lives with Mother who keeps children in her absence.
John 4 yrs on 13th Ult.
Mary 18mo on 19th Ult.


---
Dovesland, a suburb in Abbey parish, Renfrewshire, on the S side of Paisley. It forms part of Charleston district, was mainly built after the year 1830, and has a large population, chiefly weavers.

 

[horse]

Thanks, Seen post #32 now..

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

The children and ages in the census and the children and ages in the paupers record and the children as listed in the 1855 burth records don't seem to fit very well.

Janet remarried in 1864. Don't know if John Craig is the father or not:

Christina b. 15 Mar 1861 High Church Paisley, Renfrew
Mother Janet ARROL
Batch: C115731


Can you find anything on the inquest for Samuel?

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Name Samuel Angle
Gender Male
Christening Date 27 Aug 1826
Christening Place LOW CHURCH, PAISLEY, RENFREW
Birth Date 08 Aug 1826
Father's Name Thomas Angle
Mother's Name Mary Clark

 

[horse]

Can you find anything on the inquest for Samuel?

Can't see anything on the inquest

Geoff