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Thomas ANGEL

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Thomas b. 20 Feb 1820 c. 17 Mar 1820 Low Church Paisley, Renfrew, Scotland
Thomas ANGEL & Mary CLARK
Batch: C119624

Went to England according to entry in Paupers Index.

1851 This record translated by Mcr/Lancs FHS from damaged records - no actual record to see
HO107 Piece 2233 Folio 0 Page 0
Civil Parish: Ashton-Under-Lyne
County: Lancashire
Registration District: Ashton Under Lyne
Address: 141 Fleet Street, Ashton-Under-Lyne
SIMPSON Charles Head Married M 29 1822 Iron Moulder Chesterfield
SIMPSON Alice Wife F 25 1826 Illegible Illegible
SIMPSON Emma Dau F 5 1846 Scholar Ashton Lancashire
ANGEL Thomas Lodger Married M 29 1822 Plumber Scotland


Daughter Hannah born abt 1851 but no record found.

There is a Ticket 529.640 for a Thomas Angel b. Paisley 1823, FWTS in 1851, Issued Liverpool 24.9.1851. Only one voyage noted 1851 on what looks like "Pointer".

By 1861 Thomas was a railway porter in Old Kilpatrick.

Looking for a copy of the ticket.

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Hi could your Thomas ANGEL have been A Prisoner in 1851/52? Looks like March 1851 sentenced to 4 months for ?? Lunacy in Wilts then transported after his imprisonment in January 1852? If its the same person
these maybe his birth,baptism and two marriages one before being imprisoned and one after ??

apologies if this is all info you already have

Angel Thomas 1820 — 1820 Scotland Births & Baptisms 1564-1950 Renfrewshire, Scotland
Angel Thomas 1820 — 1820 Scotland Births & Baptisms 1564-1950 Renfrewshire, Scotland
Angel Thomas — — 1844 Scotland Marriages 1561-1910 Renfrewshire, Scotland
Angel Thomas — — 1869 Scotland Marriages 1561-1910 Lanarkshire, Scotland
 

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Daughter Hannah born abt 1851 but no record found.
There appears to only be one entry [SP] for a Hannah Angel [probably not that simple] between 1845-1855..

Death:
ANGEL HANNAH
Age 3
05/12/1851
559/
100 236
Abbey

Interesting no birth details in that period, given she was only 3y :rolleyes:

Geoff

EDIT: Just realised, was Hannah b. England?
 
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Not found the ticket yet..

Something to ponder, age out :rolleyes:

UK, Apprentices Indentured in Merchant Navy, 1824-1910
Thomas Angel
Age: 16
Registration or Indenture Date: 27 Jul 1840
Port of Registry: Glasgow
Vessel: Bellona
[Image has bound for 4 years]

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Thomas Sr. being in Ashton in 1851..

GRO:
ANGEL, THOMAS
mmn = CLEMENTS
1844 Q3 ASHTON AND OLDHAM
Vol 20, Page 20

Same as 1861..
Bap = Scotland
Thomas Angel
Spouse: Mary Clement
Child: Octavia Clarendon Angel

Also Stephen Gifford..

Geoff

You probably have this..
Octavia Clarendon Angel
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 12 Aug 1857
Birth Place: Tradeston,Glasgow,Lanark,Scotland
Parents = Thomas Angel & Mary Clement
 

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Something to ponder, age out :rolleyes:

UK, Apprentices Indentured in Merchant Navy, 1824-1910
Thomas Angel
Age: 16
Registration or Indenture Date: 27 Jul 1840
Port of Registry: Glasgow
Vessel: Bellona
[Image has bound for 4 years]
Given Thomas Jr's 1844 birth in England the above may be ruled out, signed for 4y :rolleyes:

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Hi could your Thomas ANGEL have been A Prisoner in 1851/52? Looks like March 1851 sentenced to 4 months for ?? Lunacy in Wilts then transported after his imprisonment in January 1852? If its the same person
these maybe his birth,baptism and two marriages one before being imprisoned and one after ??

apologies if this is all info you already have

Angel Thomas 1820 — 1820 Scotland Births & Baptisms 1564-1950 Renfrewshire, Scotland
Angel Thomas 1820 — 1820 Scotland Births & Baptisms 1564-1950 Renfrewshire, Scotland
Angel Thomas — — 1844 Scotland Marriages 1561-1910 Renfrewshire, Scotland
Angel Thomas — — 1869 Scotland Marriages 1561-1910 Lanarkshire, Scotland

Thanks Amanda.

I know nothing of Thomas being a prisoner. Three generations.

Thomas born Ashburton, Devon married 1818 & 1844 - d. 1848 Paisley - Army pensioner

Thomas born 1820 married 1843, 1869, 1878 - died 1897 Ayr.

Thomas born 1844 Lancs died after 1861 ?

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Thanks Geoff.

Hannah was probably born England but no reg.

There is only one family that I know of in Scotland with three generations of a Thomas Angel/Angle, so a prisoner ? a merchant seaman ? Age 16 in 1840 does not fit.

Piece: SCT1841/573 Place: Paisley -Renfrewshire ED: 4
Civil Parish: Paisley Low Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 47 Page: 25
Address: 12 Prussia St
Surname First name(s) *** Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
ANGLE Thomas M 55 Pensioner Renfrewshire
ANGLE Mary F 45 Renfrewshire
ANGLE Thomas M 20 Cloth Lapper Renfrewshire
ANGLE Sarah F 15 Renfrewshire
ANGLE Samuel M 12 Renfrewshire
ANGLE Stephen M 7 Renfrewshire


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I presume Ticket 529.640 = 529,640


Stephen Angel - no. 106507
UK, Apprentices Indentured in Merchant Navy, 1824-1910
Name: Stephen Angel
Age: 14
Registration or Indenture Date: 15 May 1845
Vessel: 'Minerva'
 

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But we know the origin of the name. All descendants of Thomas from Devon.

So if we have a Thomas Angel a prisoner and a merchant seaman where is other evidence we have more than the one Angel family in Scotland?

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But we know the origin of the name. All descendants of Thomas from Devon.

So if we have a Thomas Angel a prisoner and a merchant seaman where is other evidence we have more than the one Angel family in Scotland?
I don't suppose there is more on the marriage apart from the FreeBMD?

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Same occupation

1843 Marriage solemnized at the Israelites Sanctuary Ashton Under Lyne in the District of Ashton and Oldham in the Counties of Lancashire and Cheshire
No. 66 - Twentyfifth of September 1843
Thomas Angel of full age Bachelor Cloth Lapper Katherine Street Ashton under Lyne Thomas Angel Horse Trainer
Mary Clements of full age Spinster Works in a Warehouse Katherine Street Ashton under Lyne James Clements Weaver
Married in the Israelites Sanctuary according to the Rites and Ceremonies of the Israelites by me Aaron Woollacott
Thomas signed and Mary by her x mark
Witnesses: Edward Odgen, Elizabeth Woollacott
John Whitehead Registrar
 
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