edit NOT THE RIGHT MAN
1911 census gives Thomas's wife as Annie B (married 16 yrs 8 children 6 alive) and the first born child Jane being at Cudworth Yorkshire in 1897.
Reg district for Cudworth is Barnsley so could this be his marriage
Marriages Sep 1896
ARCHER Thomas Barnsley 9c 271
Brooksbank Albert Barnsley 9c 271
Brown Emma Florence Barnsley 9c 271 Lynch Annie Bridget Barnsley 9c 271
I found a cracking army record for the Thomas on my last 2 posts, Wife's name and address, father's name and address, children's births and where he served. turned out to be wrong father, and therefor wrong man. what a pity 1891- RG12- 2278-47-47
just seen your tree and notice you have followed the same route as myself. On the army record it gives Thomas's father as John of 73 Russell Street Wednesbury. The census record above is for that address in 1891 when your Thomas is living with his parents elsewhere.
Some of the confusion may be due to Ladywood, Staffs (? should be Warwicks). Another of his sibling's birth is given as Handsworth, Staffs (? should also be Warwicks). Both places/areas look be sub-districts of Birmingham.
thanks all for your help,yes this is a mind blower,his dad and i think step mother have kids with the name smith with them so i think rosa is their step mother but have been trying to search for a rosa marrying a smith but the only one i can find is in london to a alfred leopold smith which ties in to the one son who has the name leopold in his name but cannot find any links at all,but thanks again jayne x
This Alfred Thomas appears to have emigrated to Canada.
Alfred Thomas Smith
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Birth Place: London, England
Date of Arrival: 12 Apr 1924
Port of Arrival: Saint John, New Brunswick
Ship Name: Montlaurier
On the image he gives his occupation as Tinsmith, NOK as as Mary E Smith [wife], 161 Hob Moor Road [same as the 1911 census]
It looks as though his mother Mrs Archer is out there and he is going to her address: 72 Rosslyn [or similar] Avenue Sth, Ontario. [Destination Hamilton].
This looks like Rose(a)'s first mar., she would be abt. 20y.
Marriages Q3 1873
HOLBROOK Eliza LEES Rose
This is supported by her death in Canada:
Ontario, Canada, Deaths, 1869-1938 and Deaths Overseas, 1939-1947
Rose Lees Archer
Death Date: 9 Apr 1930
Death County or District: Wentworth
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Birth Location: England
[The Cert., says b. 8 Apr 1854 her parents were Thomas Lees & Girtrude Key. Informant J E Archer, son)
Looks as though other family members may have emigrated also.
Civil Parish: Kings Norton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas in the Moore
Town: Balsall Heath
RD: Kings Norton
Sub-RD: Kings Norton
ED: 22 RG12; Piece: 2352; Folio: 28; Page: 1
Samuel Archer 49
Rosa Archer 38 [b. Walsall]
Thomas Archer 14
Florence J Archer 11
Walter Archer 9
Harry Archer 7 John E Archer 5 [b. Sheffield] Alfred S Smith 16 [Stepson, b. West minster]
Alexander Smith 13
James Read 24
Alfred and Alexander must be from Rose's first mar. to Alexander.
However, it still doesn't answer your first question..