Thomas BLACKLEY and Ann UNKNOWN

[DaveHam9]

I'll leave the census as given to me without any of my notations added.

1881
RG11 Piece 4285 Folio 34 Page 63
Civil Parish: Barrow In Furness
County: Lancashire
Registration District: Barrow In Furness
Sub-RD: Barrow In Furness
ED: 1
Address: 14 Newland Street
Name Marital Status Gender Age Occupation Birthplace
Mary Anne RICHARDSON Head Wid F 31 Charwoman Cockermouth Cumberland
Mary Ellen RICHARDSON dau F 8 Scholar Barrow Lancashire
John William RICHARDSON son M 7 Scholar Barrow Lancashire
Mary DOW mother W F 71 Peel Isle of Man
Thomas BLACKLEY boarder Mar M 52 Iron Moulder Paisley Scotland
Annie BLACKLEY boarder Mar F 54 Monthly Nurse (Wet) Northwich Cheshire

1891
RG12 Piece 3484 Folio 43 Page 23
Civil Parish: Barrow in Furness
County: Lancashire
Registration District: Barrow in Furness
Sub-RD: Barrow in Furness
ED: 10
Address: 6 Back? Hartington St North
Thomas Blackley 63 Iron moulder Scotland
Annie Blackley 64 Northwich Cheshire
William Cook Lodger 27 Labr at steel works Lancs

1901
RG13 Piece 4015 Folio 19 Page 29
Civil parish: Barrow in Furness
Ecclesiastical parish: Hawcote and New Barns
County: Lancashire
Registration District: Barrow in Furness
Sub-RD: Barrow in Furness
ED: 31
Address: (School House), Sinkfall Lane End, Barrow In Furness
Household schedule number: 169
Thomas Blackley Head 74 Scotland
Ann Blackley 74

Given only these three census what can be found for a birth for Ann, marriage(s), 1911 census for one or both, and a death for Thomas and Ann?

No hints from previous topics. A search knowing only what is in the three census.

Thanks,

Dave

 

[horse]

Hi Dave

I can't see any evidence of a marriage... If they didn't marry we may never know any more... neither seen yet in 1911

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello Geoff.

I notice that they are listed as being married in 1881. Can you tell from 1891 and 1901 if it says they are listed as married or not?

Re the marriage, I have not found one that fits. Not this one, which I have a copy of:

Marriages Jun Qtr 1875
BLAKELEY Thomas Manchester 8d 264
SMITH Ann Manchester 8d 264

25 Apr 1875 Cathedral Manchester, Lancashire

1875 Marriage in Parish of Manchester in the County of Lancashire
No. 260 - April 25th 1875
Thomas Blackeley - 21 - Bachelor - Surryman ? - 41 Port Street - William Blakeley - Brushmaker
Ann Smith - 18 - Spinster - - 17 Corporation St Hyde Road - Andrew Smith - Tailor
after Banns By me H C Smith
Thomas signed - Mark x of Ann Smith
Witnesses: George Andrew, Sarah Ann Elliss Andrew


Can an Ann/Annie, born Northwich Cheshire abt 1827, be found in 1871 or earlier?

If Ann is not in 1911 in England, then is there a death that fits?

Can 2x Thomas, both iron moulders, be found in 1871? I have been told there are two.

I'm off for two hours while it's not raining.

Dave

 

[horse]

I've tried the possibles that I found for marriages and they are all accountable, however, your Blakely reminded me of a couple of variants.

I also tried possible Ann's for Cheshire b. abt. 1827

Geoff

 

[horse]

Can 2x Thomas, both iron moulders, be found in 1871? I have been told there are two.

Dave

This may make it look like 2, it could be an error with POB

1861 - Lancashire, Thomas b. Ireland

County: Lancashire
RD: Liverpool
Sub-RD: St Martin
ED: 53; Piece: 2658; Folio: 15; Page: 30

Thomas Blackley 30 [b. Ireland. Iron Moulder]
Janet Blackley 30 [b. Scotland]
John Blackley 8 [do]
Thomas Blackley 6 [b. Liverpool]
William Blackley 4 [do]
Isabella Blackley 2 [do]
Archibald Blackley 2/12 [do]
Address on image looks like New Hedley St.

1871 - Lancashire

Civil Parish: Kirkdale
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County: Lancashire
RD: West Derby
Sub-RD: Toxteth Park
ED: 98; Piece: 3826; Folio: 5; Page: 3

John Barnes 32
Alice Barnes 37
Joseph Barnes 6
Thomas Blackley 38 lodger, wid [b. Scotland. Iron Moulder]
Thomas Blackley 16 lodger [b. Liverpool. Railway clerk]
William Blackley 15 boarder [b. Liverpool. Can't read occ]
Archibald Blackley 12 boarder [b. Liverpool. Scholar]

Geoff

 

[horse]

I notice that they are listed as being married in 1881. Can you tell from 1891 and 1901 if it says they are listed as married or not?

In 1891 and 1901 on the image, Annie says she is a wife and mar.

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

From the children I can say both those are my Thomas with an error for pob as Scotland.

It is New Hedley street and occupation for William is shop errand boy.

So if we then jump to the conclusion it's the same Thomas in 1881 as 1871 then Ann is somewhere else in 1871.

 

[horse]

There is an Ann Hatton b. 1828 in the Northwich area (Witton I believe), she mar. in 1848 either a Shaw or Harrop, I couldn't get past that

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Looking for Ann in 1871 born Northwich who is not married and has no children with her:

Name: Ann Pickering
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1871
Gender: Female
Age: 42
Relationship to Head of Household: Sister-in-law
Birthplace: Northwich, Cheshire
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: West Derby
Sub-District: Litherland
Parish: Litherland
County: Lancashire
Household Gender Age Birthplace
Self Joseph Taylor Fletcher M 44 Liverpool, Lancashire
Wife Louisa Fletcher F 41 Northwich, Cheshire
Daughter Mary Louisa Fletcher F 20 Tranmere, Cheshire
Daughter Annie Fletcher F 18 Tranmere, Cheshire
Daughter Catherine Ann Fletcher F 13 Tranmere, Cheshire
Daughter Ammy Fletcher F 12 Tranmere, Cheshire
Son Lawrence Fletcher M 9 Liverpool, Lancashire
Son Alfred Hewlett Fletcher M 6 Litherland, Lancashire
Daughter Charlotte Harriett Fletcher F 4 Litherland, Lancashire
Sister-in-law Mary Pickering F 48 Nottinghamshire
Sister-in-law Ann Pickering F 42 Northwich, Cheshire
Cook Catherine Mccubbin F 21 Liverpool, Lancashire
Housemaid Annie Brattie Claucharty F 22 Scotland
Nurse Kate Dumford F 22 Liverpool, Lancashire


Name: Ann Pink
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1871
Gender: Female
Age: 42
Relationship to Head of Household: Servant
Birthplace: Northwich, Cheshire
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Manchester
Sub-District: Cheetham
Parish: Cheetham
County: Lancashire
Household Gender Age Birthplace
Self William Fenton M 37 Manchester
Wife Sarah Ann Fenton F 23
Son William A Fenton M 7
Daughter Emily Fenton F 5
Daughter Jeannot Fenton F 4
Servant Ann Pink F 42 Northwich, Cheshire


Name: Ann Gaskell
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1871
Gender: Female
Age: 43
Relationship to Head of Household: Lodger
Birthplace: Northwich, Cheshire
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Manchester
Sub-District: Ancoats
Parish: Manchester
County: Lancashire
Household Gender Age Birthplace
Lodger Eliza J Noble F 32
Lodger Ann Gaskell F 43 Northwich, Cheshire

 

[DaveHam9]

Ann Pickering can be ruled out. Have her in 1881 RG11 Piece 3704 Folio 11 Page 15

Ann Pink can be ruled out. She married Isaac Robinson and have them in 1881.

Ok I give up, 16 marriages in Lancs 1871-1881 for an Ann Gaskell.

 

[horse]

Ann Pickering can be ruled out. Have her in 1881 RG11 Piece 3704 Folio 11 Page 15

Ann Pink can be ruled out. She married Isaac Robinson and have them in 1881.

Yep, seen both those...

 

[horse]

Ann Gaskell is unm. in 1871...

Geoff

 

[horse]

Ann Gaskell is unm. in 1871...

Geoff

Unsure about the other 15 :biggrin:

 

[horse]

Ann/Annie could be her middle name, which would make it even more difficult to find...

 

[horse]

Which was the possible death you had for Annie 1901-1911?

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

A death ?

Deaths Mar Qtr 1904
Blakeley Ann Chorlton 8c 585


Found this one but have not matched them yet:

Marriages Dec Qtr 1877
Best Joseph W. Derby. 8b 473
Blackler Thomas W. Derby 8b 473
Jones Amelia Winifred W.Derby 8b 473
Smith Annie Margaret W. Derby 8b 473

 

[horse]

That can be discounted...

Thomas Blackler
Age: Full Age
Marriage Date: 8 Dec 1877
Parish: Bootle, St Mary
Spouse's Name: Amelia Winifred Jones
Father's Name: Samuel Blackler
Spouse Father's Name: John Ellis Jones
Reference Number: 283 BOO/3/1

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Geoff.

I presume no luck assuming Ann was also a nurse in 1871.

 

[horse]

Thanks Geoff.

I presume no luck assuming Ann was also a nurse in 1871.

No, I did put that in the 'known facts' when searching

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

No tree with all the answers? :biggrin: