Thomas BLACKLEY

[DaveHam9]

Not yet found in 1841 in Scotland so may have come from Ireland 1841-1851:

1851
Civil Parish: Paisley North
County: Renfrew
Address: 5 Love Street
Isabella Blackly Head 48 Washer woman Ireland
Thomas son 21 Iron moulder Ireland
Mary dau 19 Warehouse sewster? Ireland
Isabella dau 17 Shread twiner Ireland
Sarrah dau 15 Weavers asst Ireland
Cathren dau 13 House servant Ireland


1911 BLACKLEY THOMAS M 83 PAISLEY /RENFREW 573/01 012/00 003

What does the 012/00 003 mean ?

Registration Number: 573/01
Civil Parish: Paisley Second Ward South
County: Renfrew
Schedule no: 15
Address: 2 Gt. Hamilton St.
...
Thomas Blackley Visitor 83 Wid. Iron Founder (Retired) Lanarkshire

1915 BLACKLEY THOMAS M 86 PAISLEY /RENFREW 573/01 1005

Page 335
1915 Deaths in the District of Paisley in the County of Renfrew
No. 1005 - Thomas Blackley Ironmoulder Widower of Janet Neil -
1915 August fifth 10h 45m P.M. 2 Great Hamilton street Paisley -
M - 86 years - John Blackley Mason (dec.) Isabella Blackley M.S. Maguire (dec.) -
Apoplexy & Hemiplegia 3 mos As certified by R Brownridge M.B. -
Archibald Blackley Son 24 Ferguslie -
1915 August 6th at Paisley Hugh Allison Registrar

 

[barbarajoh]

Those numbers could just be the Scotlands people reference?

What are you after with Thomas, just any info?

Barbara

 

[horse]

Did he end up in Liverpool/Lancashire, Dave?

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Those numbers could just be the Scotlands people reference?

What are you after with Thomas, just any info?

Barbara

Hello Barbara,

Trying yet again to solve a puzle re my great-great-grandfather.

That was just an introduction with a bit of new info from 1911 census.

Death certificate lists only one spouse and this is the marriage:

Thomas BLAIKLEY
Spouse: Janet NEIL
Marriage: 7 Aug 1852 High Church Paisley, Renfrew, Scotland
Husband age at Marriage: 22
Wife age at Marriage: 23

07/08/1852 BLAIKLEY THOMAS JANET NEIL/FR942 M Paisley High Church /RENFREW 573/001 0040 0276


No. 1087 1852 Aug 7
Thomas Blaikley 22 Iron moulder 5 Love St Middle Parish Paisley
Janet Neil 23 10 Wellmeadow High Parish Paisley
2 Proclamations Aug 8 Aug 15 Fee 4/-

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Did he end up in Liverpool/Lancashire, Dave?

Geoff

Yes Geoff.

Here they are in 1861:

1861
RG9 Piece 2658 Folio 15 Page 30
Civil Parish: Liverpool
County: Lancashire
Registration District: Liverpool
Sub-RD: St. Martin
Address: 94 New Hedley Street
Thomas Blackley Head 30 Iron moulder Ireland
Janet wife 30 Scotland
John son 8 Scotland
Thomas son 6 Liverpool
William son 4 Liverpool
Isabella dau 2 Liverpool
Archibald son 11wks Liverpool

One problem that has not been solved - a birth reg for son Thomas - my great-grandfather.

Not this one:

Births Mar 1854
Blekley Thomas W Derby 8b 357

1854 Birth in the Sub-district of West Derby Registration District of West Derby in the County of Lancaster
No. 396 - Twenty-third December 1853 Poplar Grove West Derby - Thomas - Boy - Thomas Blekley - Alice Blekley formerly Boardman - Twine spinner - The mark x of Alice Bleckley Mother Poplar Grove West Derby - Thirteenth January 1854 - Richard Bradshaw Registrar

Marriages Jun 1850
BLAKELEY Thomas Manchester 20 622
BOARDMAN Alice Manchester 20 622


Birth reg can be found for all siblings. Baptism exists:

name: Thomas Blakeley
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 5 Oct 1856
baptism/christening place: St. Peter's, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
birth date:
birthplace:
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: Thomas Blakeley
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Janet
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: I02228-6
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1068940
reference number: item 8

 

[DaveHam9]

Deaths Dec 1863
Blackley Jennett Liverpool 8b 50

RD Liverpool - Sub-district St Martin - County Lancaster
No. 458 - Third December 1863 94 New Hedley Street - F - 34 years - Wife of Thomas Blackley Iron Moulder Journeyman - Cancer 15 months Certified - Thomas Blackley present at death 94 New Hedley Street Liverpool - Third December 1863 - Henry Shaw Deputy Registrar

No birth/baptism or parents can be found for Janet. I can't find any tree that helps with that.

 

[DaveHam9]

Only issue with 1871 is pob as Scotland:

1871
RG10 Piece 3826 Folio 5 Page 4
Civil Parish: Kirkdale
County: Lancashire
Registration District: West Derby
Sub-RD: Toxteth Park
Address: 67 Westminster Road
Thomas Blackley lodger wid 38 Iron moulder Scotland ? [Ireland]
Thomas Blackley lodger 16 Railway clerk Liverpool
William Blackley 15 Shop errand boy Liverpool
Archibald Blackley 12 Liverpool

There are 2x Thomas both Iron moulders. One of the problems is that the name appears with about 7 variations in the records in Scotland and England.

I can explain Archibald and Isabella.

Births Mar 1861
BLACKLEY Archibald Liverpool 8b 29

RD Liverpool - Sub-district St Martin - County Lancaster
No. 263 - Twenty Seventh January 1861 94 Hedley Street - Archibald - Boy - Thomas Blackley - Janet Blackley formerly Neil - Iron Moulder - Janet Blackley mother 94 Hedley Street Liverpool - Twentieth February 1861 - John Simpson Deputy Registrar

Archibald Blackley c. 11 Dec 1862 Grove Street Chapel, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Thomas Blackley & Jane Blackley


Births Mar 1856
BRAKELEY William Liverpool 8b 7

1856 Birth in Sub-district of St Martin - Registration District Liverpool in the County of Lancaster
No. 108 - Thirtieth November 1855 - 35 Eldon Street - William - Boy - Thomas Brakeley - Janet Brakeley formerly Neil - Iron Moulder - The mark of Janet Brakeley Mother 35 Eldon Street Liverpool - Eleventh January 1856 - John Simpson Deputy Registrar

William Blakeley c. 5 Oct 1856 St. Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Thomas Blakeley & Janet

I think that shows it's the right family in 1871 minus daughter Isabella.

 

[horse]

Possible...

Thomas Henry Lang
Q4 1855
RD: Liverpool
Vol: 8b
Page: 4

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Isabella is with her paternal grandmother. The census is a real mess and there are two puzzles (the youngest two) with it I've not yet solved. The others I can identify.

1871
Civil Parish: Paisley High Church
County: Renfrew
Address: 57 Broomlands Street
Francelia B?? 57, born Ireland [Isabella]
Mary G 34, Mill Weaver born Paisley [Ireland]
--- who is this ?
Ann Bechett 24 daughter Paisley
Bechett 11 granddaughter England [Isabella]
Farrie Bechett 8 granddaughter England [Jessie]
James Bechett 3 grandson Glasgow ??
Sarah Bechett 1 granddaughter Glasgow ??

Jessie is the youngest:

Births Mar 1862
BLAKELEY Jessie Liverpool 8b 79

Jessie Blackley c. 11 Dec 1862
baptism/christening place: Grove Street Chapel, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Thomas Blackley & Jane Blackley


I can't explain the last two, James and Sarah.

Thomas senior had several brothers. Older brother John didn't marry until 1873 and his 3 children Sarah Jessie, John William and Isabella were all born after 1873. Brother William is 15 and Archibald 12 in 1871 so neither would be the father of either James or Sarah.

Unless I'm missing a previous marriage for John ??? I can't be:

Marriages Dec 1873
BLACKLEY John W. Derby 8b 602
Bastard Sarah W. Derby 8b 602

1873 Marriages solemnized at Everton in the Parish of Emmanuel in the County of Lancaster
No. 125
November 9th 1873
John Blackley - 20 - Bachelor - Hotel Porter - 14 Pinder Street - Thomas Blackley - Iron Moulder
Sarah Bastard - 20 - Spinster - - 14 Pinder Street - Stephen Bastard - Master Marine
Married in the Church of Emmanuel after Banns by me Henry Carpenter Vicar
Both signed
Witnesses: William Robert Fletcher, Margaret Fletcher

 

[DaveHam9]

Possible...

Thomas Henry Lang
Q4 1855
RD: Liverpool
Vol: 8b
Page: 4

Geoff

I doubt that Geoff. No sign in baptism, shipping record, marriage, Qld. E/R or death that Thomas had any middle name.

No reason for Thomas BLACKLEY senior to have Thomas junior registered as LANG.

 

[horse]

I doubt that Geoff. No sign in baptism, shipping record, marriage, Qld. E/R or death that Thomas had any middle name.

No reason for Thomas BLACKLEY senior to have Thomas junior registered as LANG.

Yeah, my fault that comes from looking at 2 different cases at same time... redf)

Wally corner :biggrin:

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Only two. :biggrin: I work on at least three at the same time.


So the next question re James and Sarah is what could the family name be if it's not BLACKLEY?

Isabella born 1835 Ireland died after 1871. No marriage or death found so far. She is in the 1871 census with no name --- [Isabella] They could be her children I suppose.

Older sister Mary born 1831 Ireland died unmarried in 1915.

Sarah born 1837 Ireland left Scotland in 1865 and died enroute to Australia.

Catherine born 1839 Ireland married in 1864 and is here:

1871
Civil parish: Westoe
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
Town: South Shields
County: Durham
Registration District: South Shields
Sub-RD: Westoe
ED: 13
Household schedule number: 232
Thomas Kelly 32 Ireland
Mary Kelly 31 Ireland
James Kelly 14 St Helens, Lancashire
Frances Kelly 10 St Helens, Lancashire
Catherine McNaughton Visitor widow 30 Ireland

EDIT: I have my Catherine with family in 1871 in Paisley.


Ann born 1846 Paisley not found after 1871 census where she is listed as 24.

Ann not yet found in 1851.

 

[horse]

Only two. :biggrin: I work on at least three at the same time.

No comment :biggrin:

 

[DaveHam9]

Minor puzzles so far. The main one is yet to be reposted.

These are clearly the youngest two children of Thomas BLACKLEY & Janet NEIL:

Bechett 11 granddaughter England [Isabella]
Farrie Bechett 8 granddaughter England [Jessie]

Catherine married in Paisley. I have nothing that shows any of the family in Glasgow.

Catherine is 21 and Ann is 15 in 1861.

 

[DaveHam9]

One index entry:

1871 BECKETT SARAH F 1 PAISLEY HIGH CHURCH /RENFREW 573/01 030/00 002

The image is hard to read but the transcription is very poor.

1871
Civil Parish: Paisley High Church
County: Renfrew
Address: 57 Broomlands Street
Francelia B?? 57, born Ireland [Isabella Blackley] Widow 67
Mary G 34, Mill Weaver born Paisley [Mary Blackley] [34 Unmarried] [Ireland]
- ---------------- [Catherine Mcnaughton] [31 Married]
Ann Bechett 24 daughter Paisley [Ann Beckett] [24 Married]
Bechett 11 granddaughter England [Isabella Blackley]
Farrie Bechett 8 granddaughter England [Jessie Blackley]
James Bechett 3 grandson Glasgow [James Beckett]
Sarah Bechett 1 granddaughter Glasgow [Sarah Beckett]



David Beckett
marriage: 31 Dec 1866 High Church Paisley, Renfrew
spouse: Ann Ramsay


Sarah Beckett
birth: 2 Nov 1869 Bridgeton, Glasgow, Lanark
father: David Beckett
mother: Ann Ramsay ???


Ann married 1861-1871. Where is Ann in 1851?

I can't see an Ann BECKETT born 1844-49 in 1881 census on FS.

 

[DaveHam9]

I can't find a death that fits. Not this one:

Death 1926 BECKETT ANNABELLA L [other surname] [mother's maiden name] F 75 PAISLEY /RENFREW 573/01 0189

I'll have to be more careful with my credits. I have used 14 and that last one was wasted because I used names starting with 'ann' instead of using exact match.

 

[horse]

Ranking among the Malcolm's et al, these Blackley's

 

[DaveHam9]

The image reads BECKETT so we have Ann age 24 a Mill worker born Paisley in 1871 census married with two children James 3 and Sarah 1 also BECKETT both born Glasgow. That much is clear enough from the image.

I'm not spending 6 credits each on all 5 possible deaths for Ann.

Dave

 

[horse]

The image reads BECKETT so we have Ann age 24 a Mill worker born Paisley in 1871 census married with two children James 3 and Sarah 1 also BECKETT both born Glasgow. That much is clear enough from the image.

I'm not spending 6 credits each on all 5 possible deaths for Ann.

Dave

More cost-effective than buying the cert's

 

[gibbo]

Wally corner :biggrin:

Bye Geoff :biggrin: