Thomas & Charlotte WEBB

[DaveHam9]

Thos Webb
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1841
Gender: Male
Age: 45
Birthplace: Middlesex
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: St Pancras
Sub-District: Regents Park
Parish: St Pancras
County: Middlesex

Charlotte Webb
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1841
Gender: Female
Age: 45
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: St Pancras
Sub-District: Regents Park
Parish: St Pancras
County: Middlesex

I'd like a look up thanks for those two. Hope it's the same household with family.

Dave

 

[Ladybird1300]

Hi Dave,

Charlotte isn't with Thomas, he is with Elizabeth aged 55. Thomas is a costamonger.

This is the household Charlotte is with:

Name: Charlotte Webb
Age: 45
Estimated birth year: abt 1796
Gender: Female
Civil Parish: St Pancras
Hundred: Ossulstone (Holborn Division)
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

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Registration district: St Pancras
Sub-registration district: Regents Park
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 684
Book: 11
Folio: 24
Page Number: 42
Household Members:
Name Age
Jno Leach 50
Jno Leach 30
Charlotte Webb 45
Caroline Webb 15
Cha Webb 10
Charlotte Webb 8

As you see Thomas is not there

Amanda

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Amanda.

I'm working from this 1857 shipping record ...

Charles 30 Garden Labourer or ... ? Marylebone Middlesex Thomas Webb & Charlotte Father dead Mother living at Islington
Mary 31 House Servant Croydon Surrey Samuel Cosstick & Mary living at Croydon CofE

and this baptism ...

Charles Webb
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 4 Apr 1827
Father: Thomas Webb
Mother: Charlotte Webb
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Marylebone Christ Church
Borough: Westminster
Register Type: Parish Registers
[b. 8 Nov 1826]
[2 William St Portland Square, Laborer]

and this marriage ...

22 Jun 1851 - St Pancras Church
No. 164
Charles Webb
Full age
Bachelor
Occ Messenger
Residence Union St
Father Thomas Henry Webb (dead)
Mary Cosstick
Full age
Spinster
Residence Union St
Father Samuel Cosstick - Farmer
Witnesses - Joseph Matthews - Mary Anne Staples

and this death ...

Deaths Jun Qtr 1851
Webb Thomas Islington 3 185


Trying to find Thomas and Charlotte in 1841 and 1851. Trying to find son Charles in 1841 and 1851 and trying to find Mary Cosstick in 1841 and 1851.

So, if there is no Thomas and Charlotte together in 1841 then perhaps the 1851 death is not the right one for Thomas. From shipping record he had died by 1857. From the marriage he had died by 22 Jun 1851. He may have died before 1841 census.

We know Charlotte was alive in 1857. We have no age and no pob.

I chose that Charlotte out of several possibles in Middlesex in 1841 because of the shared Sub-RD with Thomas.

Dave

 

[Ladybird1300]

Having problems with all the names in St Pancras, so was wondering if Thomas and Charlotte were from somewhere else and found this:

Name: Thomas Webb
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 4 Oct 1826
Marriage Place: Chesham-Bois, Buckingham, England
Spouse: Charlotte Plested
FHL Film Number: 1999163
Reference ID: item 3

It's at the end of the London tube. Or it could be these:

Name: Thomas Webb
Spouse: Charlotte Kemble
Record Type: Banns
Event Date: 4 May 1823
Parish: St Mary, Putney
Borough: Wandsworth
Register Type: Parish Register

But the orginal says they are widower and widow.


Amanda

 

[Ladybird1300]

This looks like Mary in 1851:

Name: Mary Costick
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1826
Relation: Servant (Employee)
Gender: Female
Where born: Croydon, Surrey, England
Civil Parish: Clerkenwell
Ecclesiastical parish: Pentonville St James
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
View related Ecclesiastical Parish
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street address:

Registration district: Clerkenwell
Sub-registration district: Pentonville
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 42
Piece: 1518
Folio: 168
Page Number: 15
Household Members:
Name Age
Elizabeth Freeman 70
Mary Ann Moore 29
Mary Costick 25
Jane Booman

Yes and her marriage to Charles:

Name: Mary Cosstick
Spouse: Charles Webb
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 22 Jun 1851
Parish: Parish Chapel, St Pancras
Borough: Camden
Father Name: Samuel Cosstick
Spouse Father: Thomas Henry Webb
Register Type: Parish Register

Amanda

 

[Ladybird1300]

I think this could be Thomas' baptism:

Name: Thos Henry Webb
Baptism Date: 12 Sep 1804
Parish: St Marylebone
County: Middlesex
Borough: Westminster
Parent(s): Wm,
Susanna
Record Type: Baptism
Register Type: Parish Register

Looking like Charlotte wasn't born in London so it could be either of those marriages

Amanda

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Amanda.

I have Mary's parents in 1841 and 1851 and their deaths. Other children with them but not Mary.

I was hoping to find other baptisms but seems Charles is the only one. I was wondering if Union street in the marriage was any help finding Charles in 1851.

Re Charlotte, the only clue we have is that she was in Islington in 1857.

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Marriages Sep Qtr 1842
CAMP Henry St Pancras 1 280
FAIR Robert St Pancras 1 280
FINCH Emma St Pancras 1 280
JOHNSON John St Pancras 1 280
LEACH John St Pancras 1 280
WADE Susan St Pancras 1 280
WARD Elizabeth St Pancras 1 280
WEBB Charlotte St Pancras 1 280

??
Thomas Webb
Spouse's Name: Charlotte Richens
Event Date: 6 Oct 1816
Event Place: St James Paddington, London
Batch: M079033

??
Thomas Webb
Burial Date: 11 Apr 1830
Burial Place: Horselydown, Surrey
Reference ID: 257
Batch: I020817

??
Deaths Dec Qtr 1865
Leech Charlotte Islington 1b 202

 

[DaveHam9]

If it's the 1816 marriage and probable death for Thomas in 1830 there is only one baptism, that for Charles in 1827.

Baptisms for Caroline and Charlotte? Children in census in post #2.

Charles with age rounded down to 10 ?? Or it's the wrong family.

 

[Ladybird1300]

BTW that was a possible baptism for Thomas not Mary.
Having trouble loading Ancestry, may have to come back later.


Amanda

 

[DaveHam9]

Deaths Dec Qtr 1865
Leech Charlotte Islington 1b 202

If burial can be found that one should be abt 77.

A daughter Eliza born Marylebone abt 1833 - after possible death of Thomas.

 

[horse]

That looks right, her father was John Richens.

Geoff

 

[Ladybird1300]

Haven't found a baptism for Caroline or Charlotte on Ancestry


Amanda

 

[DaveHam9]

1842 marriage should show widower and widow

and the address will help. Check it against the address of census in post #2.

It will lead us to a real problem.

1851
HO107 Piece 1499 Folio 136 Page 23
3 Felix Place, Islington
Charlotte Leech Head Widow 61 Laundress Oxfordshire
Charles Webb son Unm 24 Plasterer Battersea Surrey
Eliza Webb dau 18 Marylebone Midx
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Surrey baps:
Mary Ann Webb
Baptism Date: 18 Nov 1855
Archive Provided Parish: Croydon, St John
Parish as it Appears: Croydon
Father: Charles Webb [Plasterer]
Mother: Mary Webb
Reference Number: 2888/1/16
[Abode Croydon]

Shipping record in 1857 says Charles was a garden labourer from Marylebone.

Daughter Mary Ann age 2 in 1857 from Islington.

 

[horse]

There is this, no age death, but gives a date.. HERE

Geoff

 

[horse]

Address looks like Cumberland Market..

 

[horse]

1861
Civil Parish: Islington St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County: Middlesex
RD: Islington
Sub-RD: Islington West
ED: 8; Piece: 126; Folio: 42; Page: 36

Charlotte Leach 70 wid [b. Meppels, Oxfordshire. Laundress]
George Manns 18 g'son [b. St Pancras. ? Artist]
Eliza Manns 11 g'dau [b. Kensington]

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Geoff.

Yes, Cumberland Market.

Pity we can't find more baptisms.

We had better check there is no Charles born Battersea in census after 1857.

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

1871
Name: Charles Webb
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1871
Event Place: Battersea, London, Surrey, England
Enumeration District: 21
Gender: Male
Age: 43
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Cab Proprietor
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Birth Year (Estimated): 1828
Birthplace: Newington, Surrey
Entry Number: 15
Affiliate Image Identifier: GBC/1871/0703/0125
Household Role Gender Age Birthplace
Charles Webb Head M 43 Newington, Surrey
Mary A Webb Wife F 50 Putney, Surrey
Jane Hyde Sister-in-law F 56 Putney, Surrey


Looking for that marriage and father's name.

 

[DaveHam9]

Marriages Sep Qtr 1841
BUNYAN Joseph Kensington 3 275
BURROWS John Kensington 3 275
Eldredge Sophia Kensington 3 275
Hearn Thomas Kensington 3 275
MANNS George Kensington 3 275
SMITH Ellen Kensington 3 275
TITMOUSE Eliza Kensington 3 275
WEBB Caroline Kensington 3 275

George Manns
Spouse's Name: Caroline Webb
Event Date: 29 Aug 1841
Event Place: St James Paddington,London
Father's Name: James Manns
Spouse's Father's Name: Thomas Webb
Batch: M079036