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Thomas EDWARDS & Elizabeth GRAY/GREY

DaveHam9

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346/1846 V1846346 31C EDWARDS THOMAS - GRAY OR GREY ELIZABETH - MC

I've searched this site and can't find the topic that fits the above marriage and the search for a death/burial for Thomas. I'm presuming Elizabeth remarried.

I looked for this burial on film at the library and didn't find it. No age.

EDWARDS THOMAS 927/1846 V1846927 31

There are two other possible burials for Thomas.

Can't remember where this fits in my tree. :biggrin:

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I havent checked this out fully as yet.

Maybe 2 kids

EDWARDS MARY A 1347/1848 V18481347 34A THOMAS ELIZABETH

EDWARDS ELIZABETH 1784/1846 V18461784 31A THOMAS ELIZABETH

Then found this

ELIZABETH married THOMAS EDWARDS in 1846, at age 15 at marriage place.
They had 2 daughters: ELIZABETH EDWARDS and one other child.
ELIZABETH married JACOB JACKSON on month day 1859, at age 29 at marriage place.
JACOB was born in 1832.
They had one daughter: HARRIET JACKSON.
ELIZABETH passed away on month day 1909, at age 79 at death place.
She was buried on month day 1909, at burial place.

https://www.myheritage.com/names/elizabeth_gray
 

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Thanks gibbo.

That solved one problem. I now know where it belongs in my tree.

Seems we have x2 Elizabeth Gray/Grey.

Bap V1830444 14/1830 GREY ELIZABETH - GEORGE - MARY

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Baptisms solemnized in the Parish of Narrellan in the County of Camden in the Year 1830
No. 77 When Baptised: 1830 11th April When Born: 1830 29th March Elizabeth - George & Mary Grey Abode: Hosking's Farm Cabramatta Quality or Profession: Labourer By whom the Ceremony was performed: Thos. Hassall

Marriage V1851429 37B/1851 BRISTOW JOHN - GRAY ELIZABETH MC= CofE Bungonia, Goulburn, St Saviour's (Co. Argyle), Goulburn Plains, Lake Bathurst, Marulan

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Marriages solemnized in the Parish of St. Saviour in the County of Argyle in the Year 1851
No. 278
John Bristow of Cotton Valley
Elizabeth Gray of Cotton Valley
married in this Church by Banns with consent of -
Twenty-eighth day of March 1851 By me William Sowerby Chaplain
Parties by their marks
Witnesses: Henry his x mark Langford of Cotton Valley, James Harrington of Goulburn

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I have an image of the marriage at the top of post #1 to transcribe now. When it's posted the problem will be obvious.

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Marriages solemnized in the Parish of St. Saviour in the County of Argyle in the Year 1846
No. 165
Thomas Edwards of Mummell, Bachelor
Elizabeth Gray [crossed out and Grey added] of Pejah, Spinster
married in this Church by Banns with consent of -
this fifth day of March 1846 By me William Sowerby
Parties signed: T. Edwards, Elizabeth Gray her x mark
Witnesses: George Grey his x mark of Pejah, B Hawkins of Goulburn

Same church but can't be a remarriage as it's still Gray/Grey in 1851 not Edwards, so 2x Elizabeth.

George could be Elizabeth's father.

Pajah = Pejar
 
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This may or may not be a 2nd marriage

1911/1859 JACKSON JACOB - BRISTOW ELIZABETH - GOULBURN * 8 Jun 1859

Then this

Death 13590/1909 JACKSON ELIZABETH - GEORGE - MARY - GUNNING * 13 Dec 1909

The Daily Telegraph (Sydney, NSW) - Thu 16 Dec 1909 p.5
THE COUNTRY
GUNNING, Wednesday.
Mrs. Elizabeth Jackson, an old resident of the district, died on Monday, aged 79.


Age and parents fit the Elizabeth Gray/Grey baptised 1830.
 

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It is not at all clear.

How much of that tree to believe??

If Elizabeth baptised 1830 married first Edwards and then Jackson where is the Jackson - Edwards marriage in 1859? Not there.

Only one Elizabeth baptism in NSW index with parents George & Mary and that's 1830. If witness George is her father then I can't see how that Elizabeth Edwards dies in 1909 as Jackson.

If the Elizabeth who dies as Jackson with parents George & Mary first married Bristow than we have no baptism for a 2nd Elizabeth with parents who fit.
 
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Burials in Parish of Camperdown for a Thomas Edwards both with abode Infirmary

8 & 10 Oct 1850 Age 31

26 & 28 Jan 1851 Age 60

Can't find the burial in 1846 and no age in index.
 

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Bap V1830444 14/1830 GREY ELIZABETH - GEORGE MARY

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Baptisms solemnized in the Parish of Narrellan in the County of Camden in the Year 1830
No. 77 When Baptised: 1830 11th April When Born: 1830 29th March Elizabeth - George & Mary Grey Abode: Hosking's Farm Cabramatta Quality or Profession: Labourer By whom the Ceremony was performed: Thos. Hassall


Bap GRAY MARY A 238/1836 V1836238 47 JOHN MARY
Bap GRAY ELIZABETH 239/1836 V1836239 47 JOHN MARY

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Presbyterian Baptisms solemnized in the Parish of St. Andrew Scots Church, Sydney in the County of Cumberland in the Year 1836
No. - When Baptised: 21 Novr. 1836 When Born: 2 Novr. 1836 Mary Anne & Elizabeth - John Gray & Mary Pattison Abode: Sydney Quality or Profession: Constable By whom the Ceremony was performed: Revd. John McGarvie


Marriage V1846346 31C/1846 EDWARDS THOMAS - GRAY OR GREY ELIZABETH MC= St Saviour Goulburn

Listed as spinster. Gray crossed out and Grey added. One witness is a George Grey.

Marriage V1851429 37B/1851 BRISTOW JOHN - GRAY ELIZABETH MC= St Saviour Goulburn

Clearly Gray and status not listed.

It's not clear which one the 1830 Elizabeth married.
 
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BRISTOW JOHN 3174/1859 AGE 51 YEARS DIED GOULBURN – GOULBURN –

death 12 March 1859 off cert on Tree has born London UK – 20 years in NSW – married Betsy Grey late Edward – children : William age 5, Ann age 4, John age 3.- Informant was Elizabeth's sister.

Elizabeth Gray b 1830 married 1st to Thomas Edward (1820 – 1850 )in 5 March 1846 St Saviour Goulburn

2nd Marriage to John Bristow 1851 he died 1859 and her 3rd Marriage to Jacob Vinson Jackson in 1859.

Name: John Bristow
Age: 31
Birth Year: 1809
Native Place: Staffordshire, England
Arrival Year: 1835
Vessel: Mary Ann
Certificate Date: 24 Mar 1840

JACKSON ELIZABETH 13590/1909 GEORGE – MARY – GUNNING

Police Gazette 1884
Grenfell – A warrant has been issued by the Grenfell Bench for the arrest of Jacob Jackson, charged with unlawfully deserting his wife Elizabeth at Grenfell without means of support, He is 49 years of age, 5ft 6 or 7 inches high, slight build. Dark complexion, black hair mixed with grey. Grey eyes. A Labourer. Supposed to have gone to Jeraway Creek, Dalton or Gunning.

JACKSON JACOB 5810/1917 85 YRS YASS – YASS

Aust Town & Country = Sat 13 April 1889 – Elizabeth’s mother..
Burned to Death.
CROOKWELL, Saturday.-An old woman named Mary Gray, aged 83 years, who has been a resident of Middle Creek, near Crookwell, for many years, was burned to death in her house on Friday morning. It appears that she was left alone, and being feeble she somehow got into the fire. When found she was badly burned, and died shortly afterward.

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/...ales|||l-decade=188|||l-year=1889|||l-month=4

Elizabeth Parents marriage – both were convicts..

Name George Gray
Gender Male
Birth Year 1797 Age32
Arrival Year 1817
Arriving Vessel Morley 1
Spouse Name Mary Conner
Spouse Gender Female Spouse Age 19
Spouse Arrival Year 1828
Spouse Vessel Elizabeth
Marriage Year Abt 1829
Application Date 9 Apr 1829
Application Place Narellan, New South Wales, Australia
 

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Thanks Val.

I can't see how it is possible.

Marriage V1851429 37B/1851 BRISTOW JOHN - GRAY ELIZABETH MC= St Saviour Goulburn

That would have to be Elizabeth Edwards.

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You've got to wonder if Elizabeth was a bit naughty in 1851 when she married John B, the death of a John Bristow 1859 has wife as Betsy GRAY, late EDWARDS on the cert.

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Father George died in 1876.

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Marriages solemnized in the Parish of St. Saviour in the County of Argyle in the Year 1851
No. 278
John Bristow of Cotton Valley
Elizabeth Gray of Cotton Valley
married in this Church by Banns with consent of -
Twenty-eighth day of March 1851 By me William Sowerby Chaplain
Parties by their marks
Witnesses: Henry his x mark Langford of Cotton Valley, James Harrington of Goulburn

No George Gray there as a witness. Didn't marry as 'Betsy' as the image has Elizabeth.

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I keep telling meself I'm going to give up looking at these cases that require a lot of research and digging, but it's nearly impossible :biggrin:

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I dunno Geoff.

Pity I can't find where Cotton Valley is/was.

Note.-Reserving for public use the existing road 1 chain wide, from Cotton Valley to Goulburn, ...
She recalled on a number of occasions that on the day her father reached Goulburn he saw two bodies hanging from gibblets at Cotton Valley, now Gundary Plains. ...
South of Goulburn half way to Quialigo.

Pejar is 3x as far from Goulburn to the NW.

1846 marriage Elizabeth from Pejah = Pejar.

Middle Creek where George and Elizabeth died is very close to Pejar.

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