Thomas Francis JAMES junior

[DaveHam9]

1st Marriage # 556/1876 JAMES THOMAS FRANCIS - FLETCHER MARINA S J - SYDNEY

Death 1882/C01174 James Marina Susannah Jane - Simeon John Fletcher - Catharine Marina Moody

2nd Marriage # 17 Feb 1886/B10380 James Thomas Francis - Wilson Catherine

Death 16 May 1908/B09543 James Catherine McPhie - Donald Wilson - Margaret Cameron


Burial of Catherine's mother probably:

South Brisbane Cemetery
Portion 11B Grave 298
James Thomas F 09 / 03 / 1929 Unknown
James Catherine M 17 / 05 / 1908 Unknown
Wilson Margaret 02 / 03 / 1882 Unknown


Looking for the birth (and arrival) of Marina and Catherine.

Thanks,

Dave

 

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See what we can find from this..

Death 1882/C01174 James Marina Susannah Jane - Simeon John Fletcher - Catharine Marina Moody

The Sydney Morning Herald (NSW : 1842 - 1954)
Thursday 20 November 1862
FRED GEORGE FLETCHER, who arrived in Melbourne, I860.-Information of the above is earnestly desired by his brother, SIMEON FLETCHER, on board La Hogne, now in Sydney

I cant find a passenger list to see who else was on board.

 

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2217/1875 fletcher emmeline stacy simeon john marina elizabeth c sydney

2913/1876 fletcher hannah simeon john marina elizabeth c sydney

2220/1878 fletcher emily m simeon j marina sydney

 

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NSW death

4451/1882 FLETCHER SIMEON J SIMEON SUSAN REDFERN

 

[DaveHam9]

2217/1875 fletcher emmeline stacy simeon john marina elizabeth c sydney

2913/1876 fletcher hannah simeon john marina elizabeth c sydney

2220/1878 fletcher emily m simeon j marina sydney

Thanks gibbo.

That means a 2nd marriage for Simeon or the names are being swapped.

Marina Elizabeth C = Catherine Marina

Marina S J married 1876 so if they are siblings she is the eldest by far. ???

 

[DaveHam9]

See what we can find from this..

Death 1882/C01174 James Marina Susannah Jane - Simeon John Fletcher - Catharine Marina Moody

The Sydney Morning Herald (NSW : 1842 - 1954)
Thursday 20 November 1862
FRED GEORGE FLETCHER, who arrived in Melbourne, I860.-Information of the above is earnestly desired by his brother, SIMEON FLETCHER, on board La Hogne, now in Sydney

I cant find a passenger list to see who else was on board.

That would be 'La Hogue'

 

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Marina S J married 1876 so if they are siblings she is the eldest by far. ???

Yep i noticed that as well, which is one reason i wanted a passenger list to see who was on it.

 

[DaveHam9]

Several voyages listed for 'La Hogue' with Assisted immigrants but not 1862.

Not on Ozships site.

Not Assisted or Unassisted to Victoria.


It made a voyage to Qld. in 1883.


LIGHT OF THE AGE
SHIP OF LONDON, J. WILLIAMS, MASTER, BURTHEN 1287 TONS
FROM THE PORT OF LONDON TO SYDNEY, NEW SOUTH WALES, 24TH. NOVEMBER, 1856
...
FLETCHER SIMEON JOHN SAILMAKER 22 GREAT BRITAIN CREW

 

[DaveHam9]

Curious. Here is a list of vessels that arrived in Sydney on or just before 20 Nov 1862:

56 18 NOV 1862 KATE AUCKLAND SYDNEY
57 18 NOV 1862 MOIRA LEITH SYDNEY
58 19 NOV 1862 ANN AND MARIA ADELAIDE SYDNEY
59 19 NOV 1862 BRILLIANT ROCKHAMPTON SYDNEY
60 19 NOV 1862 LALLA ROUTH OTAGO SYDNEY
61 19 NOV 1862 OCEAN S. S. ISLANDS SYDNEY
62 20 NOV 1862 WONGA WONGA MELBOURNE SYDNEY

and it's not there.

Go back to 1 Nov 1862 and it's still not on the list.

 

[DaveHam9]

Simeon John Fletcher
christening: 27 April 1834 St. Mary's, Lambeth, Surrey, England
father: Simeon Fletcher
mother: Susanna Fletcher

We have the right death for Simeon.

I can't see a marriage for him or birth of children in NSW before 1876 so it must be Victoria.


Do we have an age at death for Marina in 1882? No burial on BCC site.

JAMES Maria Susannah Jane Death notice 07JAN1882 Death 27 at Ipswich, Queensland Sydney Morning Herald 26JAN1882
JAMES Marina Susannah Jane Death notice 07JAN1882 Death 27 late of Ipswich, Queensland, formerly of Sydney Sydney Morning Herald 09JAN1882


Oh. Abt 1855. So born Victoria or bv or England. ???

 

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2nd Marriage # 17 Feb 1886/B10380 James Thomas Francis - Wilson Catherine

Death 16 May 1908/B09543 James Catherine McPhie - Donald Wilson - Margaret Cameron

Burial of Catherine's mother probably:

South Brisbane Cemetery
Portion 11B Grave 298
James Thomas F 09 / 03 / 1929 Unknown
James Catherine M 17 / 05 / 1908 Unknown
Wilson Margaret 02 / 03 / 1882 Unknown

The Brisbane Courier (Qld. : 1864 - 1933)
Saturday 8 April 1882
IN the SUPREME COURT of QUEENSLAND.
ECCLESIASTICAL JURISDICTION.
In the WILL of DONALD WILSON, late of Boundary-street, South Brisbane, in the Colony of Queensland, Licensed Publican, Deceased. Notice Is hereby given that, after the expiration of fourteen days from the date of the publication hereof, application will be made to the said Honourable Court that PROBATE of the WILL of the abovenamed Donald Wilson, deceased, may be granted to JOHN PETRIE, of Brisbane, in the said Colony of Queensland, Builder and Contractor, the Executor named in the said Will, Margaret Wilson, the Executrix named in the said Will having died.
Issued this Fifth day of April, A.D. 1882.

1882 B14530 Donald Wilson - Wilson - ** born Scotland aged 71 years
South Brisbane cemetery
Wilson Donald 31 / 01 / 1882
portion 11B grave 297

Passenger list ??
WILSON, Donald 37 Artemisia 6 Dec 1848
WILSON, Margaret 13 Artemisia 6 Dec 1848
WILSON, Margaret 29 Artemisia 6 Dec 1848
Also John aged 3 and Catherine aged 1

http://www.archives.qld.gov.au/Rese...ocuments/Artemisia_1848_QSA_Item_ID_18474.pdf

 

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Do we have an age at death for Marina in 1882? No burial on BCC site.

The Sydney Morning Herald (NSW : 1842 - 1954) (about)
Monday 9 January 1882
JAMES. —January 7, at her late residence, Ipswich, Queensland,
Marina Susannah Jane, beloved wife of Thos. F. James, and beloved eldest daughter of Simeon and Marina Fletcher, of George-street Sydney Markets, aged 27 years and 2 days. Her end was peace.

She died within a week of having a baby. Both notices are in the same paper

JAMES. —January 1, at her residence, Ipswich, Queensland, the wife of Thos. Francis James, of a son.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/art...na AND "JAMES"&searchLimits=exactPhrase=JAMES

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks gibbo.

Bonhill, Dunbarton.

So next step is to find Marina's birth.

 

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Name: Marina Susannah Jane Fletcher
Event Type: Birth Registration
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration Year: 1855
Registration District: Shoreditch
County: London
Event Place: Shoreditch, London, England

 

[DaveHam9]

South Brisbane Cemetery
Portion 11B Grave 298
James Thomas F 09 / 03 / 1929 Unknown
James Catherine M 17 / 05 / 1908 Unknown
Wilson Margaret 02 / 03 / 1882 Unknown

Where is the death reg?

 

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South Brisbane Cemetery
Portion 11B Grave 298
James Thomas F 09 / 03 / 1929 Unknown
James Catherine M 17 / 05 / 1908 Unknown
Wilson Margaret 02 / 03 / 1882 Unknown

Where is the death reg?

Gone walk about i think, i couldnt find it neither.

 

[DaveHam9]

Marriages Jun 1854
BURLEY Martha Frances St Geo E 1c 783 Scan available - click to view
FLETCHER Simeon John St Geo E 1c 783 Scan available - click to view
MUDIE Marina Elizabeth Cheney St Geo East 1c 783 Scan available - click to view
STONE George Albert St Geo E. 1c 783


Death 1882/C01174 James Marina Susannah Jane - Simeon John Fletcher - Catharine Marina Moody

 

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Remarriage which i think you already have??

3046/1883 COCKS WILLIAM H FLETCHER MARINA E C REDFERN

Death
6693/1897 COCKS MARINA E C WILLIAM C MARINA E WATERLOO

 

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Case closed?

 

[DaveHam9]

Yes thanks. I have enough for this one way off my main line. :biggrin: