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Thomas HAWKINS - Private in 99th in 1842

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Presbyterian Baptisms solemnized in the Parish of - in the County of - in the Year 1842
No. - When Baptised: 13th Octr. 1842 When Born: 2nd Octr. 1842 Thomas - Thomas Hawkins & Mary Ann Gregg Abode: Sydney Quality or Profession: Private H. M. 99th. Regt. By whom the Ceremony was performed: J. D. Lang Minr.


Thomas was probably born in Scotland. I have no death and no other info for Thomas. I have no death and no other info for Mary Ann. Don't know when or where they married. No sign of any other children being baptised in NSW.

The 99th started arriving in VDL (Tasmania) and NSW in 1842. More arrived in later years. The 99th left Australia in 1856 and I don't know if Thomas left with them or if he stayed after being discharged??

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I have no death and no other info for Mary Ann.


NSW death index
HAWKINS MARY A
8434/1886
GEORGE
MARY A
PARRAMATTA

The Sydney Morning Herald (NSW : 1842 - 1954)
Wed 17 Feb 1886
HAWKINS.—At her residence, Campbell-street, Parramatta, Mary Ann Hawkins, relict of the late Thomas Hawkins, late of the 99th Regiment, aged 76 years. Hobart papers please copy.

http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/13611622

The Sydney Morning Herald (NSW : 1842 - 1954)
Fri 14 Feb 1890
In Memoriam.
HAWKINS.—In memory of Mary Ann Hawkins, relict of the late Thomas Hawkins, of her Majesty's 99th Regiment, died Campbell-street, Parramatta, on February 14, 1886, aged 76 years. Inserted by her sons T. G. J. and John Hawkins.

http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/13759359
 

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Thanks gibbo.

That looks a possible for Thomas.

I wonder if Thomas junior was born in Tasmania and perhaps Thomas senior stayed there.

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Name: Hawkins, James William
Record Type: Births
Gender: Male
Father: Hawkins, Thomas
Mother: Gregg, Mary Ann
Date of birth: 18 Aug 1850
Registered: Hobart
Registration year: 1850
 

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Thanks gibbo.

We may not find the vessel Thomas arrived on. The convict vessels known to have arrived VDL 1842 did not reach Sydney until 1843.

Junior born 2 Oct 1842 and baptised 13th. Abode: Sydney

Thomas, George, John, and James William but no daughters ?
 
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Could be this chap?

First name(s) Thomas
Last name Hawkins
*** Male
Service number 832
Rank Private
Unit or regiment 99th Foot
Year 1841
Remarks -
Location Dublin
County Dublin
Country Ireland
The National Archive reference WO 12/9804
Record set British Army, Worldwide Index 1841
 

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First name(s) James W
Last name Hawkins
Year range 1850
Place Hobart
Country Australia
Regiment 99th Foot
Record source GRO Regimental Birth Indices (1761 to 1924)
Volume 782
Page 50
Record set British Nationals Armed Forces Births 1761-2005
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
 

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Thanks GB.

Several of the convict vessels departed Dublin 1842.

I can't find birth records for the middle two sons, George and John.

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Isabella Watson
One voyage only
Male convicts on board
Departure Port: London / Kingstown / Dublin Departure Date: 01 / 02 May 1842
Arrival Port: Hobart Arrival Date: 03 Aug 1842


Looks like that one is ruled out with birth 2 Oct 1842. Abode Sydney is a problem.

Even this does not fit.

John Brewer
One voyage only
Male convicts on board
Departure Port: London / Sheerness Departure Date: 05 Dec 1841
Arrival Port: Hobart Arrival Date: 06 Apr 1842
Convicts landed: 198

We have not found a vessel known to have carried convict guard of the 99th that arrived in Hobart early enough to explain 2 Oct 1842 birth.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/99th_(Lanarkshire)_Regiment_of_Foot

The first detachments of the 99th Regiment arrived in Australia with transported convicts aboard the transport ship North Briton, destined for Tasmania, in 1842.
This makes no sense.

North Briton Voyages to Australia
Departed from Dublin. 178 male convicts on board.
Sailed on 20th December, 1842
Arrived 4th April, 1843 at Van Diemen's Land

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Presbyterian Baptisms solemnized in the Parish of - in the County of - in the Year 1842
No. - When Baptised: 13th Octr. 1842 When Born: 2nd Octr. 1842 Thomas - Thomas Hawkins & Mary Ann Gregg Abode: Sydney Quality or Profession: Private H. M. 99th. Regt. By whom the Ceremony was performed: J. D. Lang Minr.
 
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More from another site but does not help.

NORTH BRITON - A 402 ton barque, whose Master was Thomas LYALL and the Surgeon Superintendent was Jas. T CLARKE. She sailed from Dublin on the 20th December 1842, having possibly started off from Spithead on the 7th December 1842, arriving in Van Dieman's Land on the 4th April 1843. The North Briton must have continued on to Sydney, NSW arriving there on the 21st April 1843. On board were also Lieutenants BEATLEY (Bentley according to some lists) and SMITH (Assistant Surgeon) of the 99th Regiment plus Mrs SMITH and servant. Also B BOGLE and 6 prisoners children, 4 women, 29 rank and file of the 99th regiment and 178 male convicts.
 

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Permisson for Mary (free) to marry a convict

Name:
Greig, Mary
Record Type:
Marriage Permissions
Ship/free:
Free
Marriage to:
Barratt, Benjamin
Ship/free:
Woodford
Permission date:
5 Nov 1842
Record ID:
NAME_INDEXES:1252174
Resource
CON52/1/2 Page 17

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Children Born to Female Convicts Under Sentence
Mary Ann GREGG Mary Ann Female 16 December 1854 Hobart Colonial Hospital

I can't find a Mary who fits that.
 

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Permisson for Mary (free) to marry a convict

Name:
Greig, Mary
Record Type:
Marriage Permissions
Ship/free:
Free
Marriage to:
Barratt, Benjamin
Ship/free:
Woodford
Permission date:
5 Nov 1842
Record ID:
NAME_INDEXES:1252174
Resource
CON52/1/2 Page 17

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I can't find a Mary who fits that.
AMI:
Mary Grigg
Spouse: Benjamin Barnett
Marriage Date: 26 Dec 1842
Registration Place: Oatlands, Tasmania
Year: 1842. Number: 1769c

Let me know if you want the image details..

There is a tree that points to this..

Mary Greig
Birth Date: 12 Oct 1821
Birth Place: Edinburgh
Baptism Place: Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland
Parents = Alexander Greig & Jane Whittet

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Thanks Geoff.

I think that one is ruled out.

Parents of Mary Ann Gregg are listed as George & Mary Ann.

No idea if she was a convict and transported (no record found) or locally convicted in VDL (about 180 images to load to check as there is no index and not in any sequence) or came to Tasmania free, or came to Sydney free but that would put Thomas in Sydney at a time that seems impossible.

The problem is the 2 Oct 1842 birth. Place of birth not listed on baptism records. Bap 13 Oct in Sydney but could have been born in Tasmania.
No doubt about the details.

A marriage in Ireland and Mary arrived with Thomas? I doubt that.

Mary was on the same vessel as a convict? Can't find such a vessel.

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Yes, thanks.

Arrival of Thomas on what vessel?

No marriage found.

1842 Baptism Sydney (probable birth in Sydney)
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1850 Hobart birth of 4th son

This curious bit I can't explain.

Children Born to Female Convicts Under Sentence
Mary Ann GREGG Mary Ann Female 16 December 1854 Hobart Colonial Hospital

1886 Death of Mary Ann in Parramatta, NSW

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Children Born to Female Convicts Under Sentence
Mary Ann GREGG Mary Ann Female 16 December 1854 Hobart Colonial Hospital
Different family..

Mary Ann Gregg
Birth Date: 17 Dec 1854
Place: Tasmania
Registration Year: 1855
Place: Hobart, Tasmania, Australia
Parents = U Gregg & Sarah Ann Gregg
Registration Number: 1710

Geoff
 
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