Thomas Henry Hulme born around 1875 oldham. Birth and parents help

[Chris Godfrey]

Hello.

I was wondering if anyone could shed any light on my 2nd great grandfather a Thomas Henry Hulme. Born around 1875 in hollinwood oldham. He had a son Harold Hulme my great grandfather.

I believe but I cant evidence this that Thomas father was a Edmund Hulme Ashton or Edmund Hulme. There is some confusion surrounding this name so I've hit a brick wall with this.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Kind regards
Christopher Godfrey

 

[emeltee]

I can see a Thomas Henry in the !881 Census, born Chadderton 1875 with parents Edmund an Martha Jane. Unfortunately he doesn't appear on either the GRO site or FreeReg so I cannot confirm the birth.

 

[Chris Godfrey]

Great thank you. What do you think the reason would be for him not showing up on the GRO or free reg. Could it be possible the potential year of birth or location?

 

[emeltee]

Got him!

Birth Ref

Thomas Henry Hulme Ashton Mar 1874 Oldham 8d 676 mmn Swindles

Parents marriage

Edward Hulme Ashton/Martha Jane Swindles 5 March 1871 Hollinwood, St Margaret.
His father Samuel Ashton, Labourer and hers was John Swindles Carter.

Image on fmp

 

[Chris Godfrey]

Fantastic. Thank you so much. My next question is where did the hulme name come from if Edward's h father was a Samual Ashton. This is probably where I've not been able to pick it up.

 

[DaveHam9]

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HULME, JOHN -
GRO Reference: 1874 M Quarter in OLDHAM Volume 08D Page 573

 

[Chris Godfrey]

Hi Dave. Could that be a brother perhaps

 

[emeltee]

Beginning to get a little complicated

Baptism
Edward Hulme 28 January 1849 Hollinwood St Margaret, mother Ellen Hulme

Banns were read for Samuel Ashton/Ellen Hulme at Oldham Parish Church 17th, 24th, 31st October 1847 but it would appear that the marriage did not take place for whatever reason. They were read again 28th April, 5th and 12th May 1850 and this time they did marry.

GRO Ref

Jun 1850 Oldham 20 849

Why Edmund dropped the name Ashton will probably never be revealed - perhaps he had a falling out with his father.

 

[DaveHam9]

Don't know yet Chris. No initial L and why would it be one with no mother's name?

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Ok this fits. No mother's name and born before the marriage.

SWINDELLS, WILLIAM -
GRO Reference: 1870 M Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 08D Page 209

 

[Chris Godfrey]

Beginning to get a little complicated

Baptism
Edward Hulme 28 January 1849 Hollinwood St Margaret, mother Ellen Hulme

Banns were read for Samuel Ashton/Ellen Hulme at Oldham Parish Church 17th, 24th, 31st October 1847 but it would appear that the marriage did not take place for whatever reason. They were read again 28th April, 5th and 12th May 1850 and this time they did marry.

GRO Ref

Jun 1850 Oldham 20 849

Why Edmund dropped the name Ashton will probably never be revealed - perhaps he had a falling out with his father.

I originally looked into this awhile back and I was told that he had potentially dropped the name Ashton. I would love to know why. Maybe a family dispute perhaps over something.

So is Martha Swindles a step mother to Edmund do you think and Ellen Hulme his birth mother?. Perhaps this is where the story lies with regards to the name being dropped perhaps.

 

[Chris Godfrey]

Ok this fits. No mother's name and born before the marriage.

SWINDELLS, WILLIAM -
GRO Reference: 1870 M Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 08D Page 209

Hi Dave
Who is William Swindles in this story.

 

[DaveHam9]

Thos Hy Hulme
Event Type:
Census
Event Date:
1881
Event Place:
Oldham, Lancashire, England
Registration District:
Oldham
Residence Note:
Maple St
Gender:
Male
Age:
6
Marital Status:
Single
Occupation:
Scholar
Relationship to Head of Household:
Son
Birth Year (Estimated):
1875
Birthplace:
Chadderton, Lancashire, England
Page Number:
54
Registration Number:
RG11
Piece/Folio:
4075/117
Affiliate Record Type:
Household
Household Role *** Age Birthplace
Edmund Hulme Head Male 31 Hollinwood, Lancashire, England
Martha J Hulme Wife Female 28 Manchester, Lancashire, England
William Swindells Son Male 11 Manchester, Lancashire, England
John L Hulme Son Male 8 Chadderton, Lancashire, England
Thos Hy Hulme Son Male 6 Chadderton, Lancashire, England
Albert Hulme Son Male 4 Oldham, Lancashire, England
James Hulme Son Male 2 Oldham, Lancashire, England
Joseph Hulme Son Male 1 Oldham, Lancashire, England

 

[Chris Godfrey]

amazing thank you Dave. Really appreciate this

 

[emeltee]

Martha Swindles is Edmund's wife, not his stepmother. She is the mother of Thomas Henry - see post #4

 

[DaveHam9]

HULME, EDMUND -
GRO Reference: 1848 J Quarter in OLDHAM Volume 20 Page 763

Born before the marriage so no mother's name there - but it is Hulme

This reminds me of my Lewton/Lear/Hodges families.

Edmund was born a Hulme but became Ashton when Samuel Ashton married Ellen Hulme

Not uncommon in cases like that to revert to birth name Hulme and then sometimes in later years return to mother's married name Ashton.

 

[Chris Godfrey]

Martha Swindles is Edmund's wife, not his stepmother. She is the mother of Thomas Henry - see post #4

Apologises that's my fault I misread what you had put

 

[DaveHam9]

FamilySearch - free to use after registering

https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/location/1986340?region=England

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27P-BY17

 

[Chris Godfrey]

FamilySearch - free to use after registering

https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/location/1986340?region=England

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27P-BY17

Thank you Dave