Thomas Hugh Jones

[fuddy]

This is my grandfather, b.1875, give or take five years, in Dewsbury Yorks.
I'd like to know who his father was - I believe it would be one of the following; Charles Jones b. Carmarthen, Wales 1837
Arthur " " " 1842
Edward " " " 1844
William " " " 1850
All listed above were brothers - parents Daniel, Mary.
Another brother, Sir Alfred Lewis Jones, must have been my Grandfather's uncle. The whole story about this is in the Introduction Forum under 'Greetings from Colorado'

 

[juliejtp]

Hi Fuddy, found this family on the 1851 census

civil parish West Derby, registration district West Derby, sub registration district West Derby, county Lancashire.

address 3 Stand Street?

Daniel Jones head age 43 occ customs clerk
Mary Jones wife age 39
Elizabeth Jones dau age 16
Charles Jones son age 14
Ellen Jones dau age 11
Arthur Jones son age 9
Edward Jones son age 7
Alfred Jones son age 5
William Jones son age 1
Caroline Bary? servant age 18 born Swansea Glamorganshire

family all born Carmarthen, Carmarthenshire.

Julie

 

[juliejtp]

1861 census:-

civil parish West Derby, reg dist West Derby, sub reg dist West Derby

address York Street, Willow Grove

Daniel Jones head age 53 occ B-------Trav--------born South Wales
Mary Jones wife age 52 born South Wales
Mary Jones dau age 24 occ telegraph clerk born South Wales
Alfred L. Jones son age 16 occ telegraph clerk born South Wales
Mary J Jones dau age 13 born South Wales

Julie

 

[juliejtp]

1871 census:-

civil parish West Derby

Alfred L Jones head u/m age 25 occ clerk to steamship agent? born Carmarthen South Wales
Mary Jones mother widow age 60 born Carmarthen South Wales
Elizabeth L Jones dau age occ clerk in telegraph office born Carmarthen South Wales
Mary Pinnock sister married age 24 born Carmarthen South Wales

Julie

 

[juliejtp]

1881 census:-

Freehold Street

Alfred L Jones head age 36 occ ship broker born Carmarthenshire
Mary Pinnock sister widow age born Carmarthenshire
Florence May Pinnock niece age 9 born Liverpool
Blanch E Pinnock age 7 born Liverpool
Belinda MacDonald general servant born Ireland


civil parish Matlock, Derbyshire

address Matlock Bank Smedley, Hydropathic Estbl (5 papers)

Alfred L. Jones visitor age 36 0cc ship owner and steamship (nav serv)
born Carmarthenshire

Do you want the 1891 info on Alfred the ship broker?

Julie

 

[fuddy]

Thanks, Julie - your info tells me when the familt emigrated from Wales. I'm primarily focusing on which of Alfred's four brothers was Thomas's father. There's more on Tom in my post under 'Introductions"

 

[fuddy]

I've sent for some birth & marriage certificates. I've been able to determine that Thomas Hughes Jones was b.1882, Dewsbury Yorkshire. I think his parent's names were Robert & Sarah. What the connection to Sir Alfred Lewis Jones may be is yet a mystery.

 

[fuddy]

Julie - I see you're in London. Have you ever heard of a 'Gledhill Hotel' there? It would have existed around 1890 or so, that's when my g.father purportedly played in it's basement as a boy(my mother said his father owned the hotel).
I can find census references of Sarah (Sarah Helen Kershaw?) being married to a James Gledhill (would explain the hotel story), but no mention of an earlier marriage to Robt. Jones. Hopefully the marriage & birth certs. will clear some things up. I hope to recieve them in a week or so. Thank you again for your research on my behalf!
I do have a ref.# for a Robert Jones marriage - march Qt, salford, 8d, 18
at salford ascension C29/2/191

 

[juliejtp]

Hi Fuddy,

Glad your making headway with your Jones ancestors.

I've never heard of the Gledhill Hotel, tried goolge search but nothing.

Will have a scout around and see if I can find anything.

Julie

 

[juliejtp]

Hi Fuddy, Nothing on the Gledhill Hotel.

1901 James Rea Gledhill is at 292-292 Lower Boughton Road, civil parish Broughton, Lancashire. ----- Hotel occ could be landlord/victualler, pub Sarah and Thomas is with him. On the 1891 censu Manchester, he is working as a barman to his brother in law Samuel Hott at the Castle and Falcon, Sarah is down as sister. So it looks like the hotel was after 1901?

Would you like the census details for 1891 and 1901?

Julie

 

[juliejtp]

Found a marriage year 1882 Jan-Mar 1/4 dist Salford Greater Manchester

Robert Jones also listed is a Sarah Helen Kershaw.

vol 8d page 18

Julie

 

[fuddy]

Wow - that's a big help. I don't think I need further details on those census's. I'm thinking perhaps this grand "Hotel" story is actually a smaller hotel/pub, maybe even the Castle&Fountain?? I know someone in Liverpool who can check on that. Thanks again!