Thomas & Jane(nee. Brown) King family. Oxfordshire.

[p.risboy]

This family should be a bit easier, with the Oxfordshire records coming online.

Thomas King(1772-1862) married Jane Brown(1779-1841) @ Towersey, Oxfordshire.

p.o.b's may say, Towersey, Buckinghamshire(as it's one of those villages that changes to Bucks, from Oxfordshire, or bandit country, as I call it).

Some Oxfordshire BMD's will show as Wycombe district, just to confuse the issue.

I do have Parish regs for Towersey, Marriages up to 1837, burials up to 1951, and baptisms up to 1886. How **** eyed is that.
The civil parish was transferred to Oxfordshire in 1993.

Children, baptised Towersey.
John 1801.
Sally 1803.
George 1806.
William 1810.
Amelia 1812 - 1894. (Done).
Jane 1814-1822. (Done).
Rachel 1816. (Done)
Elizabeth 1818 - 1887. (Done)
Emma 1820.


Steve.

 

[p.risboy]

I may have found Emma King, as wife of William Peacock c1819, Catterick, Yorkshire. Married, 11 July1842 @ Hackney. Common St Thomas, Clapton

Steve.

 

[emeltee]

Think I've sorted the girls

Emma

Marriage
William Peacock/Emma King Sep 1842 Hackney 3 151

1851
Paddington
William Peacock 32 Coachman Kents Bank Yorks
Emma Peacock 31 Towersey Bucks

Sally/Sarah

1851
Towersey
Joseph Williams 49 Ag Lab Bledlow
Sarah 47 Lacemaker Towersey
Able 15 Ag Lab Towersey
William 11 Towersey
Caroline 8 Towersey
Henry 4 Towersey

All the children, apart from Able who was born too early, appear on the GRO site mmn King

In 1841 they had two older children with them, Thomas aged 11 and Rachael aged 9

Can't find a marriage though.

Emeltee

 

[emeltee]

Hopefully this is George

1861
Old Church Lane, Great Stanmore, Hendon, Middlesex
George King 54 Coal Merchant/Farmer 30 acres Towersey
Mary Ann King 55 Cold Harbour, Bucks
Emma King 16 Gt Stanmore

In 1851 they have another daughter with them Ann E born 1840

GRO has both girls with mmn Gomm

Finally found the marriage on fs

George King/ Mary Ann Gomme 28 May 1833 Ilmer Bucks.

Emeltee

 

[emeltee]

Can't find anything re John or William. They don't seem to appear in any Census and there are too many deaths to try and pick one out.

Emeltee

 

[p.risboy]

Think I've sorted the girls

Emma

Marriage
William Peacock/Emma King Sep 1842 Hackney 3 151

1851
Paddington
William Peacock 32 Coachman Kents Bank Yorks
Emma Peacock 31 Towersey Bucks

Sally/Sarah

1851
Towersey
Joseph Williams 49 Ag Lab Bledlow
Sarah 47 Lacemaker Towersey
Able 15 Ag Lab Towersey
William 11 Towersey
Caroline 8 Towersey
Henry 4 Towersey

All the children, apart from Able who was born too early, appear on the GRO site mmn King

In 1841 they had two older children with them, Thomas aged 11 and Rachael aged 9

Can't find a marriage though.

Emeltee

They seem to be having Williams children baptized as early as 1822 in Towersey.

Able, baptized 1822. d.1822.
James 1824.
Rachel 1826. d.1828.
Thomas 1829.
William 1834. d.1837.
William (abt 3 years old), 1843.
Caroline 1843.
Henry 1846.

I'll check for burials of Able, Rachel, Thomas & William. (EDIT:). Yes, all buried, and all children of Joseph & Sarah Williams.

Obviously they had others of the same name in later years.

 

[p.risboy]

Son of Joseph, and Sarah, William Williams 1840, Towersey, marries Hannah Green @ Cuddington in 1864.

Hannah Williams(b1838, dies in 1872 Towersey, and is buried there.

William Williams marries a Sarah ???. Births suggest a maiden name of Smith.

For the life of me, I cannot find a marriage for William Williams to a Sarah Smith.

in the 1911 census, her details are c1840 @ Diddlebury, Shropshire.

There are two possible candidates in Diddlebury, Shropshire.

All I can think of, is the fact she was married before and married under that name.

William Williams dies in Swindon, but was buried in Towersey in 1924, (of Swindon), where he was in 1911 census. Wife, Sarah Williams/Smith, remained in Towersey in 1911. with daughter Annie Williams.

So where and when did William Williams get married for a second time, between 1872 & 1876 ish.

Frances Williams was born 1876 Towersey.

Plus siblings, Annie, Herby(Herbert), John, Albert & Horace.

Or have I got my wires crossed again.???


Steve.

 

[emeltee]

In the 1881 and 1891 Censuses Sarah gives pob as Sutton Hill, Shropshire.
I have found the following baptism at Diddlebury

29 Sep 1839 Sarah daughter of John and Sarah Smith. Abode Sutton Hill

The only marriage I can see for a William Williams and a Sarah Smith is Jun 1873 Woolwich 1d 1246

Unfortunately, without the certificate it is impossible to know if this is the right one. It does fit with daughter Annie's birth being registered 1874.

Emeltee

 

[p.risboy]

I've found Sarah Smith in 1841 & 1851, with John,c1793. Diddlebury & Sarah, c1798, Diddlebury.

Still no marriage, except the one you found. No 1861 or 1871 census found for Sarah Smith.???


Steve.

 

[emeltee]

Can't find Sarah in 1861 but in 1871 there is a Sarah Smith aged 30 working as a servant for a family by the name of Griffen in Wolverhampton. Pob is given as Diddlebury.

RG10/2929/F85/p20

Emeltee

 

[p.risboy]

Thanks MLT.

I'll be looking later on......again.:biggrin:

I'll have a few more other queries, but I have to go out and visit friends for St Patricks day, and no it doesn't involve drink.:2fun:

 

[p.risboy]

John Williams1878, Towersey(Reg'd. Thame), son of William Williams & Sarah 'Smith', threw up a few problems, but solved most of them.

He married Amy Ludgate in 1903, Aylesbury District.

Children;
Alfred John Williams.
Born 9 FEB 1906, Towersey, Buckinghamshire
Died 22 JAN 1929, of Towersey Bucks.

Georgina Florence Williams
Born, 4 JUL 1904, Towersey, Buckinghamshire
DEATH 1973, London City, London.

Laura Williams
Born 27 JUN 1905, Towersey, Buckinghamshire
Died, June 1976 • Chiltern and Beaconsfield, Buckinghamshire, England.

She married Thomas Mills Le Pelley. in 1931 (Thame Reg dist), and more than likely divorced him, as her death reg is in her maiden name.

Thomas Mills Le Pelley.
Born, 18 APR 1901, Rusper Horsham, Sussex, England
Died, 2 AUG 1977 , Haddenham, Bucks.

Son, Thomas M Le Pelley, Born Mar 1936 • Aylesbury, Buckinghamshire.
Married - Jean L Y Ditchburn in 1957, Aylesbury, District. (Place and d.o.b unknown).

Amy Ludgate's mother;

Georgeiana Jane Bates
Born, 8 MAY 1841, Stone, Buckinghamshire.
Died, Jan. 1895, Aylesbury, Buckinghamshire.

Marriage
Aylesbury. 6 Apr 1863. by Banns
Thomas LUDGATE, aged 28, Bachelor of Aylebury, Shoemaker son of William Ludgate, Labourer
Georgiana Jane BATES, aged 22, Spinster of Aylesbury daughter of Moses Bates, Blacksmith.
Witnesses - Benjamin(x)Jeffries & Hannah(x)Ludgate.

Baptism.
Georgiana Jane Bates.
Birth, 8 May 1841
Baptism - 6 Jun 1841, @ Stone,Buckingham,England
Mother - Mary Bates
FHL Film Number. 1042440.

Marriage.
Aylesbury Marriage 18 Nov 1850
Moses MONK of full age, Bachelor of Aylesbury, Agriculturist son of John Monk, Agriculturist
Mary BATES of full age, Spinster of Aylesbury, House Servant daughter of Edmund Bates, Agriculturist
Witnesses - Joseph Brill & Sharlette? Monk.

So, did Georgiana Jane Bates tell fibs, or was Moses Monk her father, or adoptive father.:2fun: (Known only as Jane Bates/Monk & Ludgate in the census ).

Questions..

1). Year,and place of birth for Jean L Y Ditchburn.

2). Where is Moses Monk, b 31 Aug 1810, Stone, Buckinghamshire, in the 1841 census. Died 1857, Northampron.

3). 1939 for Georgina Florence Williams. and Laura Le Pelly & Husband. (PM or email please. ).

Thanks.

Steve.

 

[emeltee]

Jean Ditchburn birth

Jean Y L Ditchburn Sep 1936 Aylesbury 3a 1929 mmn Harland

Probable marriage for parents

George L Ditchburn/Florence Harland Dec 1935 Aylesbury 3a 3141

Moses Monk

Can't find him in 1841 anywhere. Nor can I find a birth ref for Georgiana Jane. Not under Monk or Bates.

Emeltee

 

[emeltee]

Mary Bates bapt. 12 May 1816 Hartwell parents Edmund and Rebecca

Marriages
Edmund Bates/Rebecca Manning 21 May 1804 Stone
Edmund Bates/Lucy Millar 28 Dec 1826 Stone

Emeltee

 

[p.risboy]

Moses Monk & Mary(nee. Bates) had 3 sons born in Northampton, 2 died, one survived.

George Marshall Monk 1851-1851
Thomas Marshall Monk 1851 - 1854.
Thomas Monk 1855.

All baptised at Northampton, of Bridge Street, same address as in 1851 for parents. Moses, labourer or Pensioner.

Thomas Monk 1855. Northampton. Found in 1861 & 1871, but lost after that. Several Thomas Monks in later census, but none born Northampton, Northants. ???

 

[emeltee]

No sign of him anywhere. I've looked at the Censuses, military and emigration and he doesn't appear. Nor can I see a death either.

Emeltee

 

[p.risboy]

Thanks MLT.O0

Steve.