Thomas MARTIN

[DaveHam9]

Hello,

Thomas MARTIN
christening: 18 February 1825 Gazely, Suffolk
parents: Charles Martin, Mary


I'd like a look up please for Thomas in 1841 and 1851.

Thanks.

Dave

 

[horse]

Hi Dave

1841 census:
Thomas Martin
Born abt 1826 Suffolk, England

Civil Parish: Gazeley
Hundred: Risbridge
County: Suffolk
RD: Newmarket
Sub-RD: Gazeley
ED: 5

Dinah Martin 70
Thomas Martin 40 [Ag lab]
Charles Martin 40 [ do ]
Mary Martin 40
John Martin 30 [ do ]
Thomas Martin 15 [ do ]
Ann Martin 11
Susan Martin 10
HO107; Piece: 1032; Book: 11; Folio: 10; Page: 15; Line: 20
[All born Suffolk]

Geoff

 

[horse]

Not much luck in 1851, Dave...

Thomas may have got married there are a couple of possibilities, the same for getting into to trouble and being 'transported'. There are too many Thomas Martins' he doesn't look to be with his parents, unless there is a transcription error somewhere...

I can find his parents in 1861, but Thomas is not with them... Charles gives his birth as Higham, Suffolk, living in Gazeley.

Charles Martin 60
Mary Martin 60
Susan Martin 29 [dau]
William Martin 10 [son]
John Martin 50 [Brother]
RG 9; Piece: 1034; Folio: 55; Page: 13
[All born Higham, Suffolk]

Geoff

 

[horse]

Hmmm....

Changing Thomas' birth details to Higham...

1861 census:
Thomas Martin
Born abt 1825 Higham, Suffolk

Civil Parish: Gazeley
County: Suffolk
RD: Newmarket
Sub-RD: Gazeley
ED: 5

Thomas Martin 36
Eliza Martin 30 [B. Barrow, Suffolk]
Ellen Martin 10 [ do ]
William Martin 6 [ do ]
George Martin 3 [ do]
RG 9; Piece: 1034; Folio: 53; Page: 10

Possible marriage:
Q2 1850
Martin Thomas
Wright Eliza
Thingoe 13 799

Thingoe covers the Barrow area.

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Geoff.

I said 1841 and 1851 because of this marriage in NSW:

V1856150 86/1856 MARTIN THOMAS - STUART EMMA - IA= Wesleyan Methodist Sydney

I don't have his arrival.

A rather common name but not as common as William MARTIN. :biggrin:

I can't prove this is the right one:

Death 13488/1890 MARTIN THOMAS - UNKNOWN UNKNOWN - WATERLOO

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Will have to search 1841 - 1856 in shipping records then.

I found only one tree and it lists Thomas as the only child so siblings are no help.

The tree has the death as 1891 Sydney but the death in that year does not fit at all.

 

[DaveHam9]

I don't know where the tree author got Suffolk. Perhaps the marriage. Didn't have time in my 90 minutes to look the marriage up on film at the library today.

 

[horse]

The Thomas and parents found appear to gel, so if he is an only child, there is a problem...

Interesting that none of the family can be found so far in 1851

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

The tree has no death for Charles or Mary.

Don't know if he was an only child or not. Many trees only have the child of interest.

No clues that I can see with the names of the children born in NSW:

Henry C d. 1879 Henry C ** probably Charles
Rachel Sabina
Arthur P d. 1920 Arthur P
Cordelia A (Annie) ** connection to my tree
William T (Thomas)
Frederick J S (John Stuart) ** STUART mother's maiden name

 

[horse]

The tree has no death for Charles or Mary.

Don't know if he was an only child or not. Many trees only have the child of interest.

No clues that i can see yet with the names of the children born in NSW:

Henry C
Rachel Sabina
Arthur P
Cordelia A (Annie) ** connection to my tree
William T
Frederick J S

Have you got a bit more on these folk?

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

I can't see a Thomas who fits who is single in shipping records.

 

[horse]

The only one I've seen is in 1847 where a Thomas was transported for horse stealing..

 

[DaveHam9]

Only Cordelia.

The Sydney Morning Herald - Saturday 9 April 1887 p.1
Marriages
McCALLUM - MARTIN.-March 30, 1887, at the residence of the bride's parents, by the Rev. C. Olden, Rev. W. McCallum, only son of the late George McCallum, of Ayr, Scotland, to Cordelia Annie, second daughter of Thomas Martin, Lyndhurst, Glebe.

Don't know if the name of the residence is from MARTIN or McCALLUM side

The Sydney Morning Herald - Thursday 30 July 1931 p.8
DEATHS
McCALLUM.-July 29, 1931, at her residence Scotia, White-st., Strathfield, Annie, beloved wife of Rev. W. McCallum, aged 68 years. (Suddenly).

Sometimes that's a clue to a place in a county in UK.

 

[horse]

So what do have that is proved so far?

 

[horse]

Only Cordelia.

The Sydney Morning Herald - Saturday 9 April 1887 p.1
Marriages
McCALLUM - MARTIN.-March 30, 1887, at the residence of the bride's parents, by the Rev. C. Olden, Rev. W. McCallum, only son of the late George McCallum, of Ayr, Scotland, to Cordelia Annie, second daughter of Thomas Martin, Lyndhurst, Glebe.

Don't know if the name of the residence is from MARTIN or McCALLUM side

The Sydney Morning Herald - Thursday 30 July 1931 p.8
DEATHS
McCALLUM.-July 29, 1931, at her residence Scotia, White-st., Strathfield, Annie, beloved wife of Rev. W. McCallum, aged 68 years. (Suddenly).

Sometimes that's a clue to a county in UK.

That's a big gap

 

[DaveHam9]

That's a summary.

You want Annie's life story? :2fun:

MARTIN Thomas - 'Hashemy' 09/06/1849 Portsmouth Suffolk Bury St Edmunds 24/03/1847 7 yrs Horse stealing Patricks Plains


Patricks Plains = Singleton = Hunter region north of Sydney


MARTIN Thomas 'Hashemy' 1849 49/243 Ticket of Leave [4/4217; Reel 962] District: Patricks Plains; Tried: Suffolk

 

[horse]

:2fun:

Yep that's what I found...

Though his age was 2y out!

 

[DaveHam9]

Transportation to NSW effectively ceased in 1842 but between 1846-50 exiles were transported. Exiles had served part of their sentence in a penitentiary in Britain and were granted a conditional pardon or ticket of leave on arrival in the Colony.

 

[horse]

Thomas Martin
Age: 18
Born abt 1829
Date of Trial: 24 Mar 1847
Trial Year: 1847
Location of Trial: Suffolk, England
Sentence: Transportation
[Horse Stealing, 7y]

Maybe he had served part of his sentence?

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Yes, but these marriages:


2442/1857 MARTIN THOMAS - PARROTT SUSAN - PATRICKS PLAIN

2471/1858 MARTIN THOMAS - BRYENS MARY A - PATRICKS PLAIN