Thomas & Mary FURNER

[DaveHam9]

Hello,

Account of the executors of John Standen of Brede (Robert Mercer and Joseph Mercer) with Messrs Bishop & Thorpe [of Hastings, solicitors], for probate and legal fees AMS 1273 1831-1836
Archival history:
Hove Library Accession 1942 Flint
Contents:
Attached: detailed draft accounts for the income from JS's house in Brede, including a payment deriving from a subscription on behalf of [the tenant] Thomas Furner in Jun 1839; 1818-1839

Removal order from Brede PAR253/32/2/134 27 Feb 1838
Contents:
Thomas Furner, wife Mary and children Ellen (15), Josiah (13), Caroline (11), Sarah (9), Thomas (7), James (5) and unbaptised infant (3 weeks); to Guestling

1841
Civil parish: Guestling
Hundred: Guestling
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England
Registration district: Hastings
Sub-registration district: Ore
Address: Friar's Hill, Guestling
FURNER, Thomas M 45 1796 Ag Lab Sussex
FURNER, Mary F 40 1801 Sussex
FURNER, Caroline F 15 1826 Sussex
FURNER, Josiah M 15 1826 Sussex
FURNER, Sarah F 12 1829 Sussex
FURNER, Thomas M 10 1831 Sussex
FURNER, James M 8 1833 Sussex
FURNER, Emily F 3 1838 Sussex

1851
Civil parish: Guestling
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England
Registration district: Hastings
Sub-registration district: Ore
Address: Friars Hill, Guestling
FURNER, Thomas Head Married M 61 1790 Pauper Ag Lab Brede Sussex
FURNER, Mary Wife Married F 53 1798 Brede Sussex
FURNER, Sarah Daughter Unmarried F 23 1828 Brede Sussex
FURNER, James Son Unmarried M 18 1833 Agricultural Lab Brede Sussex
FURNER, Emily Daughter F 13 1838 Scholar Brede Sussex
FURNER, Ann Daughter F 8 1843 Scholar Guestling Sussex
FURNER, Elizah Daughter F 5 1846 Guestling Sussex


I'm not sure about these deaths but I can't see any others that would fit. Seems a bit odd that a pauper and spouse would end up at Brighton. ???

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Deaths Sep 1854
Furner Thomas Brighton 2b 105

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Deaths Mar 1856
FURNER Mary Brighton 2b 114

Also, how is it decided that the family should be removed and to what parish? I've noticed various FURNERs removed from Brede to other parishes in E Sussex and even to Kent.

Regards,

Dave

 

[p.risboy]

Hi Dave.

1861 census.

Name: Mary Furner
Age: 66
abt 1795
Relation: Head

Born-Brede, Sussex, England
C/P-Guestling
Chichester
Sussex
Address-Rectory house, Church Road.

Reg-Hastings
Sub-Ore
ED-3

Mary Furner-66. Widow. Ag.Lab.
Eliza J Furner-15. House servant.

Steve.

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello Steve,

Thank you very much. That is a bit of a surprise. It's the right Mary (only 10 Mary FURNERs in my tree) because daughter Eliza J is with her.

I'll have another look for a death for Thomas and Mary.


Where is daughter Ellen in 1841 & 1851 ? She is mentioned in the removal order (aged 15) so she is probably a servant in some household.

1861
Civil parish: Rye
Town: Rye
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England
Registration district: Rye
Sub-registration district: Rye
Address: 15, West Street, Rye
FURNER, Ellen Head Unmarried F 39 1822 Brede Sussex
FURNER, Thomas Brother Unmarried M 30 1831 Shipwright Brede Sussex
FURNER, James Brother Unmarried M 28 1833 Shipwright Brede Sussex
HOLDEN, Elizabeth Niece F 7 1854 Scholar Ashburnham Sussex

Deaths Jun 1866
FURNER Ellen 45 Rye 2b 3

 

[p.risboy]

Hi Dave.

1861 census.

James Furner
Age: 28
abt 1833
Relation-Brother
Born-Brede, Sussex, England
Town-Rye
Sussex.
Address-15, West Street.

ED-2

Ellen Furner (Head of house). 39. b.Brede.
Thomas Furner-30
James Furner-28
Elizabeth Holden-7. Niece - b.Ashburnham, Sussex.


All unmarried.


Steve.

 

[DaveHam9]

Yes they are all unmarried in 1861.

Even allowing for Thomas to be reg or entered as TURNER I can't see a death that fits.

I'll have to work out how the niece fits in when I get back.

 

[p.risboy]

Hi Dave.

1851 census.

Ellen Farmer
Age: 29
abt 1822
Relation-Servant
Born - Bride, Sussex.
Town-Winchelsea
Kent.
Address-Back Lane, Cleveland House.

Reg Dist-Romney Marsh.
ED-5a

Catharine Woodham-56. Landed Prop. b.Rye.
Mary P Rushworth -35. Annuitant. b.Halifax, Yorks.
Ellen Farmer-29.



Steve.

 

[DaveHam9]

This does not seem to fit for Ashburnham.

Births Mar 1854
Holden Elizabeth Brighton 2b 181

c. 5 Mar 1854 Saint Nicholas, Brighton, Sussex
- parents George & Winifred

Eliza has six sisters but not one of them is Winifred.

I've looked for a HOLDEN - FURNER/TURNER marriage for any of the six sisters and can't find one.

 

[DaveHam9]

Well, it's not HOLDEN but HOBDEN:

Marriages Jun 1840
FURNER Mary Battle 7 313
HOBDEN Richard Battle 7 313

Richard and Mary both died in 1878 in Ashburnham.

Deaths Sep 1878
HOBDEN Mary 62 Battle 2b 27
HOBDEN Richard 66 Battle 2b 28


Please see if you can find them in the census. Thanks.

Regards,

Dave

 

[josie7644]

Hi Dave,

In 1871, Richard aged 59, an Ag Lab is in Catsfield, Sussex. His pob is Ashburnham.

He is with...

his wife Mary 55, born Brede
William 15
Mary 13
Thomas 12
Robert Sinden 18 (Groom)

Class: RG10; Piece: 1034; Folio: 161; Page: 4

In 1861, he is in Ashburnham with..

Mary 45
James 17
Ann ? 12
Charles 10
William 5
Thomas 2
Clara 1 month

Class: RG9; Piece: 565; Folio: 143; Page: 5

Josie

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello Josie,

Thank you very much.

Took me some time to realise HOLDEN was not the name.

Regards,

Dave