Thomas Shiel HAYNES

[DaveHam9]

Hello Carol,

Thanks for the details.

It's not one of my direct lines. I'll have to refresh my memory re this topic as it was middle of last year when I last looked.

If you have specific queries then post them here or start a topic on an appropriate board.

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Ah. Very remote. Not one from my tree after all.

Mike will be interested.

 

[DaveHam9]

Marriages Mar Qtr 1852
Haynes Thomas Kings Norton 6c 425
Leedham Dorothy Kings Norton 6c 425

It is transcribed correctly to FreeBMD from the handwritten image index page.

So at the moment I can't say which is correct. Errors do also exist on marriage certificates. And others as well. I have a death certificate where the informant is listed as 'mother' instead of 'daughter'


Leedham is a much more common name and it's concentrated in Yorkshire, Staffordshire and Warwickshire.

 

[Fijihaynes]

Thomas Sheil Haynes was my G G grandfather. His son Richard Henry Haynes born NZ 1864/21351 married Tamar Fenton in 1896 and they had 1 son, Robert Henry De Woolf Haynes born 24/5/1896 in Auckland NZ. They returned to Savu Savu Fiji a year or so later and later separated as Richard couldn't live in Fiji and Tamar couldn't live in NZ. Richard lived in Auckland NZ until he died in 1948.
Tamar nee Fenton was born in Tuapeka NZ in 1863 and moved to Savu Savu Fiji in 1868.
Robert Henry De Woolf Haynes married Ann Lepper the had 6 children, Raymond, Douglas, Leonard, Elvera, Eudo and Brenda. Brenda is the only surviving sibling and lives 6 months of each year in Fiji and Auckland NZ.
Robert my grandfather never had much contact with his father due to the separation, but said he had relations in Australia.

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello and welcome to the Forum


Regards,

Dave

 

[whitleyhaynes]

Thank you Dave. My cousin told me about this website this morning. He discovered it after searching for Thomas Shiel Haynes on Google. It seems a great way to link up with people with information. I will sort out the questions I am searching for answers to and post them. I suspect you are an accomplished genealogist while I am an amateur. My interest was sparked when my mother (a Haynes) died suddenly and all her knowledge about our family in Fiji went with her. Our family still own property over there and I have many relatives in the Savusavu area which is why I am interested in "connecting the dots". Hence my interest in Thomas Shiel Haynes. I understand that you are not a relative but know how to find information. Thank you for sharing. It will be interesting to see if any relatives come out of the woodwork. As I said I intend reading back through the thread to find out more. I realise that most of the conversation took place in June 2013 so I hope some of the people who contributed then will get involved again. Is there any other way of contacting them other than through this forum? I have much to learn. Carol

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello Carol,

Now that your user name is green the PM (Private Message) system is available to you and you may use it to exchange email address etc. with any other researchers of the family who are members of this forum.

Dave

 

[whitleyhaynes]

Thank you. Michael has been in touch which is very exciting. We are third cousins!

 

[MikeP]

Ah. Very remote. Not one from my tree after all.

Mike will be interested.

Yes! Turns out we are third cousins
My first connection with relatives still alive in NZ & Fiji

 

[whitleyhaynes]

It is wonderful to connect up with a whole new branch of the family through this forum. There is so much information to share and so much more to learn. I have lived on the North Shore for most of my life, in fact very close to where my great-great grandparents Thomas and Dorothy Haynes and my great-grandfather Richard Haynes lived for most of their lives. Until Friday I knew very little about them. I did not realise we had such a long-standing connection to Northcote. I lived in that suburb for many years - just a few kilometres from where my ancestors lived and I went to the local high school there. I have even had a drink or two in the Northcote Tavern - on the same site where the old Ferry Hotel was located. In 1876 great-great grandfather Thomas Shiel Haynes took over the licence for the Ferry Hotel from George Wallace. That building was demolished and the Northcote Tavern was built using timber. I believe that hotel burned down and the building on the site now is a replacement. This morning I learned that the land I always thought of as Northcote Point was named Stokes Point. This is where the North Shore side of the Auckland Harbour Bridge is located. Thank you all for doing the research and sharing your information. I appreciate it and will study it further.

 

[MikeP]

It is wonderful to connect up with a whole new branch of the family through this forum. There is so much information to share and so much more to learn. I have lived on the North Shore for most of my life, in fact very close to where my great-great grandparents Thomas and Dorothy Haynes and my great-grandfather Richard Haynes lived for most of their lives. Until Friday I knew very little about them. I did not realise we had such a long-standing connection to Northcote. I lived in that suburb for many years - just a few kilometres from where my ancestors lived and I went to the local high school there. I have even had a drink or two in the Northcote Tavern - on the same site where the old Ferry Hotel was located. In 1876 great-great grandfather Thomas Shiel Haynes took over the licence for the Ferry Hotel from George Wallace. That building was demolished and the Northcote Tavern was built using timber. I believe that hotel burned down and the building on the site now is a replacement. This morning I learned that the land I always thought of as Northcote Point was named Stokes Point. This is where the North Shore side of the Auckland Harbour Bridge is located. Thank you all for doing the research and sharing your information. I appreciate it and will study it further.

I agree- these forums are a goldmine of information and very helpful advice and assistance 👍
It's great to have made contact with yet another branch of the family and have contact with such an enthusiastic researcher😊 We have lots to share.....

 

[whitleyhaynes]

Re: Thomas Shiel HAYNES & Dorothy HAYNES

This morning I have been searching PAPERSPAST and I have discovered some treasures. I will post the links here and you can connect if you are interested.

Log on to www.natlib.govt.nz
Regarding the death of:
Thomas Shiell HAYNES. Auckland Star - 25 November 1897 - DEATHS.
Scroll down to the entry about him He was the son of Richard Shiell Haynes of Ampney Circus, Gloucestershire, brother to Mrs Geo. Uzzell, Twickenham, and Mrs Geo. Freeman, Hollis Hill, Bell Broughton, Stourbridge, England; aged 75. Buried at St. John the Baptist Cemetery, Birkenhead. "He was, but words are wanting to say what. Think what an honest man should be and he was that"
Dorothy HAYNES
Auckland Star, Volume LV1, Issue 296, 15 December 1925, Page 15
DEATH OF CENTENARIAN. IN AUCKLAND 64 YEARS. MRS. DOROTHY HAYNES
This obituary gives a comprehensive summary of her life. She was 100 years of age. Her grandmother lived for 103 years.

Auckland Star, Volume LV1, Issue 297, 16 December 1925, Page 7
IN THE EARLY DAYS. WATERCRESS IN QUEEN ST. TALE OF OLD ST. ANDREWS.

Northern Advocate. 15 December 1925, Page 5.
OBITUARY. A FINE OLD LADY.

I searched for HAYNES in the Auckland Star for the period 1890 to 1890.
I found numerous advertisements relating to Dorothy. There were advertisements for the three roomed and four roomed cottages that she rented - furnished and unfurnished, and advertisement for a 7 bedroom house (1 Feb 1894), advertisements for strawberry plants she was selling, and advertisements for bread makers/bakers who wanted to go to work in Fiji - in Suva I think.

Dorothy was involved a couple of court cases. Refer to:
Auckland Star, Volume XX1, Issue 102, 3 May 1890 Page 1. TABLE TALK. A court case involving 8 pounds.
Auckland Star, Volume XX1, Issue 103, 2 May 1890, Page 2. Court Case.
Auckland Star, Volume XXV1, Issue 114, 14 May 1895, Page 8. An advertisement for Dorothy's cottages and another article telling people to keep off the Rosner's farm.

There are many entries relating to Dorothy, mostly advertisements.

Dorothy's store in Northcote (Stokes Point as it was then - it is now known as Northcote Point) was named the Harbour View Store.

Thomas HAYNES must have been a member of the Masonic Lodge. He is mentioned as an attendee at a Lodge meeting in the:-
Auckland Star, Volume XXV, Issue 124, 25 May 1894, page 2.

There have been many developments made this week and emails have been flying between the Australian Haynes family (none of whom have that name anymore) and myself as representative of the New Zealand - Fiji Haynes family. It has been interesting to see how two siblings - Richard Henry Haynes and Mary Elizabeth Rosner nee Haynes - lives have impacted on their descendants.

I am fairly certain I know where Thomas and Dorothy Haynes are buried. The St. John the Baptist Cemetery is now known as the Birkenhead-Glenfield Cemetery. It is located at the intersection of Pupuke Road - Birkenhead Avenue - Glenfield Road. It is not far from where I live and I intend going there to take photographs. I believe there is no grave or headstone but I know they are buried in plot C2. They are buried in the same plot.

A HELP REQUEST!
The first thing I need help with is finding shipping information. I am having difficulty locating information about the dates that Richard Henry Haynes and his wife Tamar Haynes nee Fenton travelled between Auckland and Fiji. I want to know when Tamar Fenton travelled from Fiji to New Zealand. She was pregnant to Richard Haynes in 1895 so they must have been together either in Fiji or New Zealand about that time. Robert Haynes, their son, was born in Auckland in May 1896. I know they went to Fiji in 1897 with their infant son Robert. What was the date? Richard Haynes returned to New Zealand alone a year of two later. Richard Haynes went to Fiji again some time between 1910 and 1916 I believe. He stayed a short time before returning to New Zealand. I cannot find any information / dates.

Also I want to know the address of the house known as "Mount Pleasant" in Northcote. It was at Stokes Point / Northcote Point. Possibly on a farm. It was owned by Mr. Aleksander Rosner at the time that Thomas Haynes died in 1897. If I can get the address I would like to go to see if it is still standing.

Any help would be appreciated. Vinaka vakalevu. Carol

 

[MikeP]

Re: Thomas Shiel HAYNES & Dorothy HAYNES

This morning I have been searching PAPERSPAST and I have discovered some treasures. I will post the links here and you can connect if you are interested.

Log on to www.natlib.govt.nz
Regarding the death of:
Thomas Shiell HAYNES. Auckland Star - 25 November 1897 - DEATHS.
Scroll down to the entry about him He was the son of Richard Shiell Haynes of Ampney Circus, Gloucestershire, brother to Mrs Geo. Uzzell, Twickenham, and Mrs Geo. Freeman, Hollis Hill, Bell Broughton, Stourbridge, England; aged 75. Buried at St. John the Baptist Cemetery, Birkenhead. "He was, but words are wanting to say what. Think what an honest man should be and he was that"
Dorothy HAYNES
Auckland Star, Volume LV1, Issue 296, 15 December 1925, Page 15
DEATH OF CENTENARIAN. IN AUCKLAND 64 YEARS. MRS. DOROTHY HAYNES
This obituary gives a comprehensive summary of her life. She was 100 years of age. Her grandmother lived for 103 years.

Auckland Star, Volume LV1, Issue 297, 16 December 1925, Page 7
IN THE EARLY DAYS. WATERCRESS IN QUEEN ST. TALE OF OLD ST. ANDREWS.

Northern Advocate. 15 December 1925, Page 5.
OBITUARY. A FINE OLD LADY.

I searched for HAYNES in the Auckland Star for the period 1890 to 1890.
I found numerous advertisements relating to Dorothy. There were advertisements for the three roomed and four roomed cottages that she rented - furnished and unfurnished, and advertisement for a 7 bedroom house (1 Feb 1894), advertisements for strawberry plants she was selling, and advertisements for bread makers/bakers who wanted to go to work in Fiji - in Suva I think.

Dorothy was involved a couple of court cases. Refer to:
Auckland Star, Volume XX1, Issue 102, 3 May 1890 Page 1. TABLE TALK. A court case involving 8 pounds.
Auckland Star, Volume XX1, Issue 103, 2 May 1890, Page 2. Court Case.
Auckland Star, Volume XXV1, Issue 114, 14 May 1895, Page 8. An advertisement for Dorothy's cottages and another article telling people to keep off the Rosner's farm.

There are many entries relating to Dorothy, mostly advertisements.

Dorothy's store in Northcote (Stokes Point as it was then - it is now known as Northcote Point) was named the Harbour View Store.

Thomas HAYNES must have been a member of the Masonic Lodge. He is mentioned as an attendee at a Lodge meeting in the:-
Auckland Star, Volume XXV, Issue 124, 25 May 1894, page 2.

There have been many developments made this week and emails have been flying between the Australian Haynes family (none of whom have that name anymore) and myself as representative of the New Zealand - Fiji Haynes family. It has been interesting to see how two siblings - Richard Henry Haynes and Mary Elizabeth Rosner nee Haynes - lives have impacted on their descendants.

I am fairly certain I know where Thomas and Dorothy Haynes are buried. The St. John the Baptist Cemetery is now known as the Birkenhead-Glenfield Cemetery. It is located at the intersection of Pupuke Road - Birkenhead Avenue - Glenfield Road. It is not far from where I live and I intend going there to take photographs. I believe there is no grave or headstone but I know they are buried in plot C2. They are buried in the same plot.

A HELP REQUEST!
The first thing I need help with is finding shipping information. I am having difficulty locating information about the dates that Richard Henry Haynes and his wife Tamar Haynes nee Fenton travelled between Auckland and Fiji. I want to know when Tamar Fenton travelled from Fiji to New Zealand. She was pregnant to Richard Haynes in 1895 so they must have been together either in Fiji or New Zealand about that time. Robert Haynes, their son, was born in Auckland in May 1896. I know they went to Fiji in 1897 with their infant son Robert. What was the date? Richard Haynes returned to New Zealand alone a year of two later. Richard Haynes went to Fiji again some time between 1910 and 1916 I believe. He stayed a short time before returning to New Zealand. I cannot find any information / dates.

Also I want to know the address of the house known as "Mount Pleasant" in Northcote. It was at Stokes Point / Northcote Point. Possibly on a farm. It was owned by Mr. Aleksander Rosner at the time that Thomas Haynes died in 1897. If I can get the address I would like to go to see if it is still standing.

Any help would be appreciated. Vinaka vakalevu. Carol

Great work Carol
You certainly have dug up a mine of information. Finding Thomas's Obituary is a goldmine. You have located two of his siblings - one who lived in Twickenham (I studied at the Royal Military School of Music, Kneller Hall, Twickenham from 1976 - 1979). This find will inevitably expand our tree by a considerable amount - assuming they had children etc.
I am not surprised about the Masonic connection. My grandfather Alexander Rosner was also a mason but was not active when I knew him in his old age.