Thomas TURNER & family

[DaveHam9]

Thomas TURNER & Sarah SHIPLEY
16 Aug 1829 Manchester, Lancashire, England

Martha b. 9 Sep 1833 c. 4 Feb 1838 St Michael Ashton-under-Lyne, Lancashire

Isaac b. 14 Jun 1835 c. 4 Feb 1838 St Michael Ashton-under-Lyne, Lancashire

Joseph c. 13 Jan 1838 St Michael Ashton-under-Lyne, Lancashire

The family arrived in Australia in 1848.

Looking for the family in 1841 thanks.

Dave

 

[gibbo]

Can't find them Dave.

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks gibbo.

Four children arrived with Thomas and Sarah. Martha and Isaac not listed as children.
The shipping record has a '?' against Jane. I've not traced 'Jane' as Martha is the connection to my tree.

TURNER Thomas, Sarah (wife), Martha, Isaac, 2 ch (Joseph, Jane?) arrived in SA 1848-12-05 aboard 'Baboo' from London 48-08-24 via Plymouth

 

[DaveHam9]

Death 7698/1912 PALMER MARTHA - THOMAS - SARAH - ST LEONARDS

The Sydney Morning Herald - Fri 12 Apr 1912 p.8
DEATHS
PALMER.-April 11, 1912, at 52 Ernest-street, North Sydney, Martha, widow of the late John Palmer, Bungowannah, Albury, in her 79th year.

Can't find a Funeral notice in Trove

Not Macquarie Park or Gore Hill or St. Thomas North Sydney ??

 

[horse]

Four children arrived with Thomas and Sarah. Martha and Isaac not listed as children.

TURNER Thomas, Sarah (wife), Martha, Isaac, 2 ch (Joseph, Jane?) arrived in SA 1848-12-05 aboard 'Baboo' from London 48-08-24 via Plymouth

I don't fully understand this, Dave. In your opinion, who arrived in 1848?

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

It's an age issue Geoff.

Children above a certain age are not children as far as the bounty is concerned. Some are half and some quarter of a full adult's bounty.

Family of 6 arrived.

Dave

 

[horse]

Thanks, Dave..

Geoff

 

[horse]

On one manifest I notice Martha aged about 15y and Isaac aged about 13y [ages used as per post #1] so both over 12y and listed separately from parents, other entry = Turner, Thomas, and wife and 2 children.

Geoff

 

[horse]

Not Macquarie Park or Gore Hill or St. Thomas North Sydney ??

Possible..

Bungowannah

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Geoff.

Curious. It has 10 April and death reg and notice have 11 April.

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Something not right here

Martha b. 9 Sep 1833 c. 4 Feb 1838 St Michael Ashton-under-Lyne, Lancashire, England
Thomas TURNER & Sarah
Batch C005587 GS Film 547824

Martha Turner
Baptism: 10 Nov 1833
Place: Hyde, Chester, Cheshire
Father: Thomas Turner
Mother: Sarah Shepley
Denomination: Independent
[Father occ = Cotton dresser]

Baptised twice?

The marriage was at Manchester cathedral so it was Established Church then some NC baptisms followed later by baptisms at St Michael.

 

[horse]

Isaac had the same, looked like conventional baps and RG4? I think closest place to them [RG4] was Cheshire?

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Yes, looks to be baptised twice and not an error.

Dave

 

[horse]

Martha Turner
Baptism: 10 Nov 1833
Place: Hyde, Chester, Cheshire
Father: Thomas Turner
Mother: Sarah Shepley
Denomination: Independent
[Father occ = Cotton dresser]

Occ is probably important for the 1841 census, Turner is popular and can discount a quite a lot using the occ.

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

The Express and Telegraph (Adelaide, SA) - Sat 27 Jun 1885 p.2
DEATHS
TURNER.-On the 26th June, at Coromandel Valley, Thomas Turner, aged 81 years. A colonist of 37 years.

South Australian Register (Adelaide, SA) - Sat 27 Jun 1885 p.2
THE Friends of the late Mr. JOSEPH TURNER are respectfully informed that his REMAINS will be Removed from his late Residence, Swanton Farm, Coromandel Valley, To-morrow (Sunday), 28th, at 3 p.m., for Interment in the Coromandel New Cemetery.
D. DEANS, Undertaker, Lower Mitcham.

That must be an error.

 

[DaveHam9]

Observer (Adelaide, SA) - Sat 10 Dec 1927 p.53
NINETY, NOT OUT!
Blackwood Nonagenarian's Reminiscences. Born at Swinton, five miles from Manchester (England), on December 6, 1837, Mr. Joseph Turner, of Blackwood, celebrated his ninetieth birth anniversary on Tuesday, ...
Last of Original Family.
Mr. Turner is the sole survivor of family of two sisters and a brother, who were brought out to South Australia by their parents (Mr. and Mrs. Thomas Turner) in 1848. The party sailed in the Baboo, commanded by Capt. Barker, and the voyage, which was not without incident, occupied about three months. ...

 

[horse]

Going for a while, Dave..

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Geoff.

Dave

 

[suetydd]

Hi I’ve been attempting to find the family in 1841 too but to no avail. I think the twice baptism was possibly to do with the family being in Russia for around 10 years helping to set up a cotton mill, the proprietor was a Quaker so perhaps a change of religious status suited the job requirements, its seems the family only returned for a short time before setting sail in 1848. Explains why they don’t appear on the 41 census, they were not in the country. In one news article at the turn of the 20th century, Joseph junior mentions his father Joseph ( son of Thomas) was born in Swinton hence the name of the house in the Coromandel Valley. Which Swinton though ? Another avenue to follow for Thomas’s early years is reference to Luke Broadbent a neighbour from England, they stayed with him at Cherry Gardens when they arrive in Australia. Luke Broadbent was from Derbyshire and had emigrated in the mid 1830’s.

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello and welcome to the Forum.

Thanks for that.

Dave