Three missing 'Horobin/Horabin/Horrobin' births

[SuperFuzz]

I am looking for the births of Charlotte Horobin (born circa 1898 in Liverpool, though her death reg says born 1895), Benjamin Horobin (born circa 1901 in Liverpool), and Ellen Horobin (born circa 1903 in Liverpool). They are siblings and the first I find of them is on the 1911 census, where they are inmates at a children's orphanage/hospital. On Ellen's marriage certificate (1925), she lists her father as 'Charles' and that he is deceased. She lists his job as a ship's cook, but I am not sure if this is true; since her husband's father is listed as having this job too...maybe true, or maybe she just didn't know.

I find it odd there is no record of their birth...maybe they weren't born in Liverpool? On one Ancestry member's own tree, they have Ellen born in Ireland in 1903...but I don't see any evidence to back that up.

If anyone could help, I would really appreciate it. Thank you so much.

 

[emeltee]

From the GRO site

Benjamin Horrabin Sep 1900 Liverpool 8b 104 mmn Bridson

Eleanor Horrabin Dec 1902 Liverpool 8b 82 mmn Bridson

Can't find Charlotte nor can I see a marriage.

Emeltee

 

[emeltee]

Found this family in 1901

RG13/3419/F45/p28

House Court 8, Mount View Liverpool

Charles Horrigan Head 42 Steam Ship Fireman Appleton, Lancs
Isabella Horrigan wife 28 Liverpool
Charles H Horrigan son 15 Apprentice Baker Widnes, Lancs
Samuel Horrigan son 4 Appleton, Lancs
Charlotte Horrigan dau 2 Liverpool
Benjamin Horrigan son 7mths Liverpool

The name on the image is definitely Horrigan but could have been misheard I suppose.

Emeltee

 

[Ellie7]

1939 Register
24 Croxteth Grove , Liverpool C.B., Lancashire, England
Charlotte Horobin ? May 1897 Domestic Servant ,single.


Ellie

 

[Ellie7]

ELEANOR
Last name HORRABIN
Birth year 1902
Birth quarter 4
Registration month
Mother's last name
District Liverpool
County Lancashire
Country England
Volume 8B
Page 82

ellie

 

[emeltee]

I can't find Charles Horobin/Horrigan etc in 1891 but have found the following...

Son Charles H

Charles Henry Horabin Dec 1887 Prescot 8b 678 mmn Hunt

Son Samuel

Samuel Horabin Jun 1896 Prescot 8b 680 mmn Hunt

Marriage Charles Horabin/Elizabeth Hunt Mar 1882 Prescot 8b 913

Both Bnejamin and Eleanor have the mmn Bridson, I have found theis marriage

Mar 1900 Toxteth Park 8b 313 Charles Horabin/Isabella Brickton

There is a death for an Elizabeth Horabin Mar 1899 Salford 8d 32 aged 37 which may or may not be the right one.

Emeltee

 

[emeltee]

1891 Census

RG12/3017/F118/p10

Whiston Workhouse

Charles Horrobin 33 Married Pauper Chemical Worker

Doesn't specify whether or not he is in the Infirmary.

RG12/3011/F69/p3

West Bank Street, Widnes

Elizabeth Horabin Head Married 29
Charles Horabin son 9
Joseph Horabin son 7
Elizabeth Horabin dau 2

I've checked the GRO for the births of Joseph and Elizabeth - Joseph has mmn Hunt Elizabeth doesn't have an mmn

Emeltee

 

[SuperFuzz]

I can't find Charles Horobin/Horrigan etc in 1891 but have found the following...

Son Charles H

Charles Henry Horabin Dec 1887 Prescot 8b 678 mmn Hunt

Son Samuel

Samuel Horabin Jun 1896 Prescot 8b 680 mmn Hunt

Marriage Charles Horabin/Elizabeth Hunt Mar 1882 Prescot 8b 913

Both Bnejamin and Eleanor have the mmn Bridson, I have found theis marriage

Mar 1900 Toxteth Park 8b 313 Charles Horabin/Isabella Brickton

There is a death for an Elizabeth Horabin Mar 1899 Salford 8d 32 aged 37 which may or may not be the right one.

Emeltee

Thank you, I am confused a little: is there no marriage for Bridson/Horobin? What is that marriage in 1900?

 

[SuperFuzz]

1939 Register
24 Croxteth Grove , Liverpool C.B., Lancashire, England
Charlotte Horobin ? May 1897 Domestic Servant ,single.


Ellie

Thank you yes, I think that is her. Charlotte raised her sister Ellen's children after Ellen died in 1948, so consequently never married. Charlotte died about 1977.

 

[emeltee]

I can't find a Bridson/Horobin marriage. I looked for a Charles Horabin (all spellings I could think of) to an Isabella and that is the only one that came up with a name that sounds a bit like Bridson.

My thinking is that Charles married Elizabeth Hunt, the marriage collapsed and he took up with Isabella but wasn't free to marry until Elizabeth died. I found a possible death in 1899 and Charles and Isabella married in 1900. You'd need to get the death and marriage certs to prove/disprove that theory.

Emeltee

 

[SuperFuzz]

I can't find a Bridson/Horobin marriage. I looked for a Charles Horabin (all spellings I could think of) to an Isabella and that is the only one that came up with a name that sounds a bit like Bridson.

My thinking is that Charles married Elizabeth Hunt, the marriage collapsed and he took up with Isabella but wasn't free to marry until Elizabeth died. I found a possible death in 1899 and Charles and Isabella married in 1900. You'd need to get the death and marriage certs to prove/disprove that theory.

Emeltee

Oh wow, so you think that Charlotte was born from the first marriage; and that Benjamin and Eleanor/Ellen/Helena were born from the second?

 

[emeltee]

Ben and Eleanor have mmn Bridson so I would say they are definitely isabella's children. I can't find a birth ref for Charlotte so don't know the mmn to say who the mother is.

Emeltee

 

[juliejtp]

Hi,

Theres this birth registration, though its in the December 1/4.

Charlotte Johnson Bridson
1898 - D quarter
Toxteth Park
No mothers mmn

 

[Ellie7]

If that is your Charles in the poor house ,likely through bad health, then there should be a Poor Relief Record

POOR LAW AND WORKHOUSE RECORDS - Former …


www.childrenscottagehomes.org.uk/.../fazakerleyroleaflet1… · DOC file · Web view

POOR LAW AND WORKHOUSE RECORDS ... Liverpool Record Office holds the records of Liverpool Civil ... Records relating to the poor relief

Some of them has very good info .

That birth for Eleanor will have parents on it.

Ellie

 

[juliejtp]

The marriage has Isabella's maiden name Bridston on familysearch.

4 Feb 1900
St John the Baptist Toxteth Park

Charles Horabin birth 1866
Isabella Bridston birth 1879

Other James Bridston
Other Harry Horabin

 

[Ellie7]

Charles Last name Horabin

Name note
Age34
Marriage year1900
Marriage date 04 Feb 1900 Marriage
Marriage Place Liverpool
Father's first name(s) Harry
Father's last name Horabin
Spouse's first name(s)Isabella
last name Bridston
Spouse's birth year 1879
Spouse's birth date 1879
Spouse's father's first name(s)James
Spouse's father's last name Bridston ResidenceLiverpool, Lancashire, England

Ellie

 

[Ellie7]

I can't see them having a church marriage, if it is a second marriage for Charles,and money comes into play with at least 2 children.

Ellie

 

[SuperFuzz]

Charles Last name Horabin

Name note
Age34
Marriage year1900
Marriage date 04 Feb 1900 Marriage
Marriage Place Liverpool
Father's first name(s) Harry
Father's last name Horabin
Spouse's first name(s)Isabella
last name Bridston
Spouse's birth year 1879
Spouse's birth date 1879
Spouse's father's first name(s)James
Spouse's father's last name Bridston ResidenceLiverpool, Lancashire, England

Ellie

Wow, thank you so much! So you think this is very likely to be the wedding? Both Charles' and Isabella's birth dates are slightly different from the census record of 1901.

 

[SuperFuzz]

Hi,

Theres this birth registration, though its in the December 1/4.

Charlotte Johnson Bridson
1898 - D quarter
Toxteth Park
No mothers mmn

Do you think this is likely to be her? It seems to fit the context, seems like Charles may have been having an affair with Isabella before he married her...and produced Charlotte during the affair? Maybe she was able to take the name Horabin as her surname after her parents married?

 

[SuperFuzz]

ELEANOR
Last name HORRABIN
Birth year 1902
Birth quarter 4
Registration month
Mother's last name
District Liverpool
County Lancashire
Country England
Volume 8B
Page 82

ellie

On Ancestry, I found a baptism for 'Helena Horobin', parents Charles and Isabella Horobin. The baptism was October 15th 1902, with her birth date as 3rd Oct. It says Charles' job was a fireman. Do you think this is correct, or do you think the entry you found is more likely to be correct?