TRENCH family in Midlothian in 1861

[DaveHam9]

I'd like a look up please for the following TRENCH family in Midlothian in 1861.

The only information I have on Robert so far is that his middle name is probably Hutchison.

Robert b. ?
Mary b. 11 Mar 1838 Borthwick
Alexander b. 22 Apr 1857 Borthwick

Thanks.

Dave

 

[crankypants]

Hi Dave

TRENCH transcribed as TREANCH

1861 Scotland census
Registration District: Borthwick
Civil Parish: Borthwick
County: Midlothian
Address: Arniston Inn

George WEST head b. abt. 1816 age 45 (Cooper) Temple, Midlothian
Grace WEST wife b. abt. 1816 age 45 Temple, Fife
Amey WEST daur b. 1818 age 43 Scholar Temple, Midlothian
Joseph WEST son b. 1852 age 9 Scholar Borthwick, Midlothian
Alexander TREANCH grandson b. 1858 age 3 Scholar Cockpen, Midlothian

Yes Amey is listed as daughter, transcribed not quite right!!!

Still looking for Alexander's parents.

cheers
cp

 

[crankypants]

Hi Dave

1871 Scotland census
Registration District: Stobhill
Civil Parish: Stobhill
County: Midlothian
Address: -

George WEST head b. abt. 1815 age 56 Cooper Temple, Edinburgh
Grace WEST wife b. abt. 1815 age 56 Kirkcaldy, Fife
Joseph WEST son b. 1849 age 22 Mason Borthwick, Edinburgh
Alexander TRENCH grandson b. 1857 age 14 Coal Miner Stobhill, Midlothian

cheers
cp

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thank you very much. I have Alexander in 1881 and 1891 so please see if you can find him in 1901. Thanks.

I have not yet found deaths for his parents.

1891
53 St. Leonard's Hill, Newington
TRENCH
Alexander...age 36...Mason
Annie...age 34
Eliza..age 12
Annie...age 10
Mary...age 8
Margaret...age 6
Alexander...age 4
Joseph...age 1

Regards,

Dave

 

[crankypants]

Hi Dave

TRENCH transcribed as FRENCH

1901 Scottish census
Registration District: Newington
Civil Parish: Edinburgh Lady Glenorchy
County: Midlothian
Address: 40 Nth Richmond St

Alexander FRENCH head b. abt. 1853 age 48 Maison Gorebridge, Edinr
Annie FRENCH wife b. abt. 1857 age 44 Melrose, Roxburgh
Maggie C FRENCH b. abt. 1884 age 17 Laundress Gorebridge, Edinr
Alexander D FRENCH b. abt. 1886 age 15 Vanman Gorebridge, Edinr
Joseph W FRENCH b. abt. 1889 age 12 Scholar Gorebridge, Edinr
Robina C FRENCH b. abt. 1891 age 10 Scholar Edinburgh
Robert C FRENCH b. abt 1893 age 8 Scholar Edinburgh

Unable to find anything on Alexander's parents, unless trascribed incorrectly. Do you think it's possible they died before 1861 census as he is with grandparents.

Cheers
crankypants

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thank you for the listing. It is a possibility however so far I can't find their deaths on SP as TRENCH or TREANCH. The other possibility is that his mother did die and that he was farmed out and that his father remarried:

Iabella RITCHIE 1 Dec 1865 Lasswade

I can't prove it yet. They moved around a bit in Midlothian and had several children. They were back in Borthwick for the birth of Thomas on 7 Oct 1867.

Regards,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

1861 Scotland census
Registration District: Borthwick
Civil Parish: Borthwick
County: Midlothian
Address: Arniston Inn

George WEST head b. abt. 1816 age 45 (Cooper) Temple, Midlothian
Grace WEST wife b. abt. 1816 age 45 Temple, Fife
Amey WEST daur b. 1818 age 43 Scholar Temple, Midlothian
Joseph WEST son b. 1852 age 9 Scholar Borthwick, Midlothian
Alexander TREANCH grandson b. 1858 age 3 Scholar Cockpen, Midlothian

Yes Amey is listed as daughter, transcribed not quite right!!!

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Re Charles SHEDDEN:

1851
Civil parish Crichton
Town Pathhead
Address E Side Pathhead
Charles Shedden age 48 occ grocer born Glendevon Perthshire
Charles Shedden son age 15 occ asst grocer born Liberton
Ann Shedden dau age 13 occ servant born Liberton
Margaret Shedden dau age 10 born Lasswade
John Shedden age 8 born Lasswade (no relationship given)
William Shedden age 6 born Liberton (no relationship given)
Euphemia Shedden age 4 (no pob or relationship given)
Euphemia Pentland sister in law age 27 born Liberton occ housekeeper

He does apparently appear in 1861 as a coal miner in Cockpen, Midlothian. I've tried to get a copy of the listing or at least more info but I'm still waiting for a reply. He was back in Midlothian in 1871:

1871
Civil parish Stobhill
County Midlothian
Charles Shaden age 70 occ grocer born Clackmannen

Please see if you can find him in 1861. Thanks.

I'm still looking for his birth about 1802 in Dollar or Glendevon.

Thanks.

Dave

 

[crankypants]

Hi Dave

1861 Scotland census
Civil Parish: Cockpen
County: Midlothian
Address: No 25 Gowkshill

SHEDDEN Charles head 1801 age 60 Coal Miner Dollas, Clackmannan
SHEDDEN Charles son 1837 age 24 Coal Miner Liberton, Midlothian
SHEDDEN John son 1843 age 18 Coal Miner Lasswade, Midlothian
SHEDDEN William son 1845 age 16 Coal Miner Lasswade, Midlothian
SHEDDEN Margaret visitor 1841 age 20 Joiners Wife Lasswade, Midlothian
PENTLAND Euphemia servant 1822 age 39 Domestic Servant Liberton, Midlothian
WALKAR Lewis nephew 1844 age 17 Coal Miner Liberton, Midlothian
PENTLAND John nephew 1852 age 9 Scholar Newbattle, Midlothian

cheers
crankypants

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thank you very much. No doubt it's the family. Maybe the sons are coal miners and Charles is still a grocer. It's one more for Dollar.

Regards,

Dave

 

[crankypants]

Hello crankypants,

Thank you very much. No doubt it's the family. Maybe the sons are coal miners and Charles is still a grocer. It's one more for Dollar.

Regards,

Dave

Hi Dave

Rechecked Charles senior and occ is coal miner born in Dollas. Yes it does seem strange as he is a grocer in 1851 & 1871.

cheers
crankypants

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thanks. I'm betting there was more money for the sons as coal miners and the census taker probably thought Charles Snr was also a coal miner. It's looking more likely he was born in Dollar, Clackmannen.

Regards,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

1861
Civil Parish: Cockpen
County: Midlothian
Address: No 25 Gowkshill
SHEDDEN Charles head 1801 age 60 Coal Miner Dollas, Clackmannan
SHEDDEN Charles son 1837 age 24 Coal Miner Liberton, Midlothian
SHEDDEN John son 1843 age 18 Coal Miner Lasswade, Midlothian
SHEDDEN William son 1845 age 16 Coal Miner Lasswade, Midlothian
SHEDDEN Margret visitor 1841 age 20 Joiners Wife Lasswade, Midlothian
PENTLAND Euphemia servant 1822 age 39 Domestic Servant Liberton, Midlothian
WALKAR Lewis nephew 1844 age 17 Coal Miner Liberton, Midlothian
PENTLAND John nephew 1852 age 9 Scholar Newbattle, Midlothian

Euphemia PENTLAND had an illeg child Lewis WALKER born 3 mar 1844 so age 7 in 1851 (but not found in 1851) and apparently another in abt 1852 named John PENTLAND so one wonders about the status of Euphemia SHEDDEN.

IGI has "EUPHEMIA PENTLAND Birth: 26 OCT 1846 Liberton, Midlothian C116939" with no parents given, although the OPR gives: "PENTLAND : 1846 : Euphemia, illegitimate daughter of Euphemia PENTLAND was born at Echobank, on the 26th day of October eighteen hundred and forty six, and baptized on the 29th day of October 1855 by the Revd John Stewart Witnesses Margaret PENTLAND & Mary Handyside" - Liberton OPR.

The 1851 Euphemia SHEDDEN is probably Euphemia's child, not Ann's.

Charles SHEDDEN is with daughter Margaret PEAT in 1871 so I don't know what has happened to Euphemia PENTLAND born 1824 Liberton and her three children:

Lewis WALKER b. 1844 Liberton
Euphemia PENTLAND or SHEDDEN b. 1846 Liberton
John PENTLAND b. 1852 Newbattle

Please see if you can find any of them in 1871 in Midlothian.

Thanks.

Dave

 

[crankypants]

Hi Dave

1871 Scotland census
Civil Parish: Liberton
County: Midlothian
Address: Old Dalbreith Road Echo Bank

PENTLAND Colin head 1793 age 78 Carter Liberton, Edinirshre
PENTLAND Margaret wife 1797 age 74 Gladsmuir, Haddnshre
PENTLAND Euphemia granddaughter 1847 age 24 Domestic Servant Liberton, Edinbrshire
DANIELS William Gt Grd Son 1871 3 weeks Liberton, Edinbrshire

1871 Scotland census
Civil Parish: Edinburgh Greenside
County: Midlothian
Address: 4 Glenorchy Place

DEMPSEY Charles head 1829 age 42 Lapidary Ireland, CO Cavan
DEMPSEY Rosina wife 1835 age 36 St Cuthbert, Edinburgh
DEMPSEY Margaret Mass daur 1859 age 12 Scholar Greenside, Edinburgh
DEMPSEY Mary daur 1861 age 10 Scholar Greenside, Edinburgh
DEMPSEY John son 1863 age 8 Scholar Greenside, Edinburgh
DEMPSEY Peter Fray 1869 age 2 Greenside, Edinburgh
PENTLAND John boarder 1852 age 19 Warehouseman Newbattle, Midlothian

1871 Scotland census
Civil Parish: Newbattle
County: Midlothian
Address: No 111 Road

WALKER Luois head 1844 age 27 Coal Miner Liberton, Edinburgh
PENTLAND Euhpemia boarder male 1821 age 50 Servant Littler France, Edinburgh

cheers
crankypants

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thank you very much. All three children are still around. Now, I'm curious about one thing:

PENTLAND Euphemia granddaughter 1847 age 24 Domestic Servant Liberton, Edinbrshire

Her mother is Euphemia PENTLAND born 1824 Liberton a sister of Ann who's parents were John & Ann KNIGHT and not Colin & Margaret.



Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

I'm trying to sort out a Robert and a Robert H TRENCH. It looks as though the name Robert appears in at least 3 generations.

I have found the birth of one but with no middle initial.

Please see if you can find this family in 1841.

Alexander TRENCH / TREANCH
Elisabeth b. ?
Robert b. 1829 Liberton, Midlothian

Thanks.

Dave

 

[crankypants]

Hello crankypants,

I'm trying to sort out a Robert and a Robert H TRENCH. It looks as though the name Robert appears in at least 3 generations.

I have found the birth of one but with no middle initial.

Please see if you can find this family in 1841.

Alexander TRENCH / TREANCH
Elisabeth b. ?
Robert b. 1829 Liberton, Midlothian

Thanks.

Dave

Hi Dave

1841 Scotland census
Civil Parish: Dirleton
County: East Lothian
Address: Dirleton

McCARTER William 1812 age 29 Ag Lab East Lothian, Scotland
McCARTER Catherine 1806 age 35 East Lothian, Scotland
TRENCH Thomas 1823 age 18 Ag Lab East Lothian, Scotland
TRENCH Janeh 1825 age 16 East Lothian, Scotland (probably Janet)
TRENCH Robert 1829 age 12 East Lothian, Scotland
McCASTER James 1836 age 5 East Lothian, Scotland
McCASTER William 1838 age 3 East Lothian, Scotland
BELL Margaret 1788 age 53 East Lothian, Scotland
HORSBURGH Marion 1806 age 35 East Lothian, Scotland
LUPTON Catherine 1816 age 25 East Lothian, Scotland
SHEARER Joseph 1828 age 13 Ag Lab East Lothian, Scotland


There are two separate entries in 1841
Robert TRENCH Jr. 1811 Midlothian
Robert TRENCH Sr. 1786 Midlothian

Yell out if you want anymore.

cheers
crankypants

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thank you. That makes 5 generations of Robert now. I'm fishing too much and will have to call a temporary halt to this one.

Regards,

Dave