Trying to pin down my grandma - Mary Ann Goodby

[ipyehooker]

I have my grandma`s marriage certificate dated 21st Sept 1879 in West Derby, Liverpool to John Pye. Her age is given as 29 and her father as Robert Vaughan Goodby, a gardener. I am trying to establish her birth date. She is stated to have been born in Shrewsbury, Shropshire. I have found a Mary Anne Goodby b 10.10.1852 in Shrewsbury, mother Elizabeth Goodby (father not given). I have also found a Mary Ann Goodby b 1852 in Shrewsbury residing in St Mary`s Shrewsbury on the 1861 England & Wales Census. Which of these (if either) is granny I do not know.
Any clarification would be very welcome.

 

[davelambert271]

Hi
I think you will have to get the cert to be sure.

The Mary born to Elizabeth is I believe the one living with John and Elizabeth in later census,
I would go for Mary born J/S 1851 Shrewsbury ref 18/185

dave

 

[juliejtp]

Hi,

This may be something or not. The 1851 census gives an Elizabeth Goodby (u/m) born abt 1821 Shrewsbury she is classed as wifes daughter to Robert Vaughan. If Elizabeth is Marys mother, it may be that Mary was illegitimate and she has added her surname to thus making Robert Vaughan (Goodby). Roberts occ is given as Chelsea pensioner.

 

[davelambert271]

Hi
I think Julie has got something there.
There are these records on IGI

ROBERT VAUGHAN
Spouse: ELIZABETH GOODBY
Marriage: 13 NOV 1826 Great Hanwood, Shropshire, England

1. MARY ANNE VAUGHAN -
Gender: Female Christening: 21 OCT 1827 Saint Mary, Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England

It may help that St Mary Shrewsbury comes up a lot.

dave

 

[davelambert271]

Hi
It could be that Elizabeth 1821 was illegit, or she was a child of her mothers 1st marriage.
there is this record of children of John Goodby and Elizabeth, including an Elizabeth 1821.

1. RICHARD GOODBY - Gender: Male Birth: 09 APR 1823

2. RICHARD GOODBY - Gender: Male Christening: 22 JUN 1823 Saint Julian, Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England

3. MARY ANN GOODBY - Gender: Female Christening: 03 JUL 1825 St Julian, Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England

4. MARY ANN GOODBY - Gender: Female Birth: 16 JUN 1825

5. MARY ANN GOODBY - Gender: Female Christening: 03 JUL 1825 Saint Mary, Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England

6. EMMA GOODBY - Gender: Female Christening: 26 FEB 1815 Saint Mary, Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England

7. JOHN GOODBY - Gender: Male Birth: 12 MAR 1817

8. JOHN GOODBY - Gender: Male Christening: 08 JUN 1817 Saint Julian, Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England

9. ELIZABETH GOODBY - Gender: Female Birth: 29 DEC 1820

10. ELIZABETH GOODBY - Gender: Female Christening: 14 JAN 1821 Saint Julian, Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England

dave

 

[juliejtp]

Going back to 1841:-

Civil parish St Mary
Birch's Buildings

Robert Vaughan age 50 occ labourer
Elizabeth Vaughan age 45
Mary Vaughan age 20

Listed underneath Mary on the census image (but classed a living seperately) is Elizabeth Goodby age 20 occupation at factory).

Robert is listed as born in county (Shropshire) but in 1851 it is Montgomeryshire).

Class H0107
Piece 927
Book 12
Folio 29
Page 8

 

[gortonboy]

Robert Vaughan b c1791 in Montgomeryshire,,served in the 22nd and 13th light Dragoons, he was discharged with "imperfect vision".he served 1809-1820.

 

[ipyehooker]

WOW !! Very sincere thanks to all you kind folk who have worked so hard on my behalf. Looks like you have got very close to pinning down grandma. She certainly seems to have had a complicated start in life. I will take the advice and get a certificate or two from Shrewsbury to try to really settle it once and for all. Again, very many thanks to all.