Twin BAYS brothers

[DaveHam9]

Hello,

I'm looking for the birth and death of twin brothers E J & A C BAYS.

They were born in England probably early 1800s. They went to Australia date unknown where they started a newspaper around 1853 and around 1861 they returned to England.

A relative is William Golding/Goulding BAYS b. 1826 Suffolk.

Another relative is Frank Buckle BAYS b. ?

I'm not making much progress with this one.

Regards,

Dave

 

[gibbo]

Hi Dave,

If you havent got their first names this might help, it gives one of the names. You may already have seen it.

BAYS COURT

Possibly named after Mr E. J. Bays and Mr A. C. Bays (twins who were called ‘the fathers of the Ipswich Press’). Edward Bays was a petitioner for Ipswich to become a Municipality.

Still looking:biggrin:

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello gibbo,

Sorry, did it wake you up? Thanks, I had not seen that particular one. I noticed the court case.

I now have the names:

Edmund John and Arthur Charles and brothers William Goulding and Frank Buckle.

The twins are said to have returned to England and the other two died in Qld.

Parents are James Scott BAYS & Maria BUCKLE.

Now I'd like to prove James Scott b. 1800 where? had a brother Charles b. abt 1805 Cambridge.

1841
Kings Road, Cambridge St Edwards
Charles Bays, aged 35, a Hatter born in County
Mary Bays, aged 25, not born in County
Alfred Bays aged 6 born in county
William Bays aged 4 born in county
Agnes Bays, aged 1 year born in county.

Deaths Mar 1882
BAYS James Scott 82 Peterbro' 3b 151

Deaths Sep 1912
BAYS Edmund J 81 Peterbro 3b 216

Deaths Mar 1917
Bays Arthur C 85 Peterbro 3b 321

Regards,

Dave

 

[gibbo]

Nah it didnt wake me up cause i wasnt asleep:biggrin:
I was just sitting quietly I can do that sometimes you know:biggrin:

 

[DaveHam9]

Amazing. :2fun:

 

[gibbo]

Dont know if this is any good to you. On search pilot on familysearch site there are a list of kids births for Scott and Maria. It appears to be your Scott and Maria's family. If you have trouble finding it let me know.

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello gibbo,

Yes, thanks.

I found most of them there but I didn't see Frank Buckle.

I'm making no progress with finding a birth for James or finding his parents or the parents of Charles.

The twins were cousins to children of Charles so that should make James and Charles brothers although I'm not sure James was born in Cambridge.

Regards,

Dave

 

[gibbo]

I know this wont help any but posting it anyway:biggrin:

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/...=7&Highlight=,JAMES,SCOTT,BAYS&accessmethod=0

Just hope the link works.

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello gibbo,

Thanks. I suppose it is the same James.

Looks as though we are stuck.

regards,

Dave

 

[gibbo]

Hello gibbo,

Yes, thanks.

I found most of them there but I didn't see Frank Buckle.

I'm making no progress with finding a birth for James or finding his parents or the parents of Charles.

The twins were cousins to children of Charles so that should make James and Charles brothers although I'm not sure James was born in Cambridge.

Regards,

Dave

Would the death cert. for James Scott Bays give anything do you think? A father's name maybe.

 

[gibbo]

Hello gibbo,

Thanks. I suppose it is the same James.

Looks as though we are stuck.

regards,

Dave

They invented a drill bit for brick walls, just got to find the right bit to use to get through it:biggrin: Yeah i should stay quiet:biggrin:
Dont give up just yet tho stuck dont mean its impossible

 

[gibbo]

You seen this 1881 census


Name: James Scott Bays
Age: 81
Gender: Male
Birth Year: 1800
Birthplace: Cambridge, Cambridgeshire, England
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Marital Condition: Widower
Profession/Occupation: Wine & Spirit Merchant
Address: 1 Queen Street
Census Place: Peterborough St John The Baptist, Northamptonshire, England
Disability:
Record Type: Household
Family History Library Film: 1341382

Piece/Folio: 1596 / 70
Page Number: 11
Household Gender Age
James Scott Bays M 81
Child Julia Bays F 38
Eliza Rippon F 23

 

[DaveHam9]

Death certificate is unlikely to list either parent.

Looks as though we can't even find them in 1841 census. Might be lucky with later years. Might give place of birth and a rough age.

:2fun: Thanks.

I had not got that far. Ok, he is older than Charles.

Well it confirms he was born where Charles was, Cambridge.

Now to work on Scott. A BAYS & SCOTT marriage ???

 

[gibbo]

Might be a long shot and probably nothing and might not be them so hope i dont confuse things but i found this. See what you think.

Baptism
1801 Bays James S son of James and Frances Parish Camb. St Edward

1804 Bays Charles son of James and Frances Parish Camb. St Edward

Not sure if the link will work or not

http://www.cfhs.org.uk/cgi-bin/baptismindex.cgi

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[DaveHam9]

Thanks gibbo.

Can I give you all my brick walls now? You are on a hot streak. :2fun:

You have just found the baptism records that prove Charles in my tree (born about 1805 Cambridge from 1841 census) and James S are brothers.

Charles & family are in the same parish in 1841 & 1851.

 

[gibbo]

If its the right family your James S may have been a twin as well or maybe just baptised on the same day.

1801 Bays Sarah G daughter of James and Frances District Camb. St Edwards


Theres also a couple more kids belonging to this James and Frances.

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks. I'm sure it's the right family.

Pity it's not a direct line because we've just gone back one generation.

It's way out on a limb of my tree.

Just a family connected to the ones I'm currently looking at NOBLE & SLAUGHTER & JEFFCOAT & STREET.

And all with a Queensland connection.

 

[gibbo]

Your welcome.

The link might work this way, dont think it would come up before on the page i wanted cause of copyright jargon. They have some burials in there as well for some kids that appear in the baptism records as kids of James and Frances.

http://www.cfhs.org.uk/Search.html

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[DaveHam9]

Thanks. I got there from a link on the first one.

 

[gibbo]

Gee looks like it was lucky i wasnt asleep earlier:biggrin: