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TWINE family
- Thread starter DaveHam9
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Hi Dave
Job is listed as a coal merchant and all have N, referring to NOT born in the county :-
TWINE, Job 45
TWINE, Ann 30
TWINE, Robert 1
TWINE, Elizabeth 5
1841 Piece:438 Book/Folio:15/19 Page:3 Registration District:Hitchin
Civil Parish:St Paul Walden Municipal Borough:
Address
aul's Walden Bury, St Paul Walden County:Hertfordshire
Job is listed as a coal merchant and all have N, referring to NOT born in the county :-
TWINE, Job 45
TWINE, Ann 30
TWINE, Robert 1
TWINE, Elizabeth 5
1841 Piece:438 Book/Folio:15/19 Page:3 Registration District:Hitchin
Civil Parish:St Paul Walden Municipal Borough:
Address
aul's Walden Bury, St Paul Walden County:HertfordshireHello Woody,
Thank you very much.
So did they have a daughter Frances who married in Australia in 1852?
Bell’s Life in Sydney and Sporting Reviewer (NSW : 1845 - 1860) Saturday 17 July 1852.
Married
By special license, on the 13th Instant, by the Rev. A. Salmon, Mr James Reid Maxwell, of Sofala, to Frances Cumberland, eldest daughter of Job Twine, Esq., of Grove Farm, Moreton Bay.
groom's name: Job Twine
groom's birth date:
groom's birthplace:
groom's age:
bride's name: Anne Cumberland
bride's birth date:
bride's birthplace:
bride's age:
marriage date: 18 Aug 1831
marriage place: Walden-St. Paul'S, Hertford, England
groom's father's name:
groom's mother's name:
bride's father's name:
bride's mother's name:
groom's race:
groom's marital status:
groom's previous wife's name:
bride's race:
bride's marital status:
bride's previous husband's name:
indexing project (batch) number: I04782-2
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1537824
reference number: item 1
Regards,
Dave
Thank you very much.
So did they have a daughter Frances who married in Australia in 1852?
Bell’s Life in Sydney and Sporting Reviewer (NSW : 1845 - 1860) Saturday 17 July 1852.
Married
By special license, on the 13th Instant, by the Rev. A. Salmon, Mr James Reid Maxwell, of Sofala, to Frances Cumberland, eldest daughter of Job Twine, Esq., of Grove Farm, Moreton Bay.
groom's name: Job Twine
groom's birth date:
groom's birthplace:
groom's age:
bride's name: Anne Cumberland
bride's birth date:
bride's birthplace:
bride's age:
marriage date: 18 Aug 1831
marriage place: Walden-St. Paul'S, Hertford, England
groom's father's name:
groom's mother's name:
bride's father's name:
bride's mother's name:
groom's race:
groom's marital status:
groom's previous wife's name:
bride's race:
bride's marital status:
bride's previous husband's name:
indexing project (batch) number: I04782-2
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1537824
reference number: item 1
Regards,
Dave
Frances Cumberland b. ? (married 1852) Not among the list of submitted IGI records
William b. ?
Submitted IGI record: William Robert Christening: 29 JUL 1834 Bullo Pill, Newnham, Gloucester
Elizabeth b. ?
Submitted IGI record: Elizabeth Ann Christening: 13 AUG 1836 Bullo Pill, Newnham, Gloucester
Births Jun 1840
Twine Robert Cumberland Westbury on Severn 11 467
Births Sep 1846
Twine Anne Cumberland Westbury on S 11 493
William b. ?
Submitted IGI record: William Robert Christening: 29 JUL 1834 Bullo Pill, Newnham, Gloucester
Elizabeth b. ?
Submitted IGI record: Elizabeth Ann Christening: 13 AUG 1836 Bullo Pill, Newnham, Gloucester
Births Jun 1840
Twine Robert Cumberland Westbury on Severn 11 467
Births Sep 1846
Twine Anne Cumberland Westbury on S 11 493
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Death of Job in Queensland:
1877/C1840 Joh Twine Twine Adam Twine Sarah - ** born England aged 83 years
Supposedly arrived in 1849 but can't find any of the family in shipping records.
1879/C1854 Anne Twine - - ** aged 69 years
Deaths of two sons also in Qld.
1907/C1516 William Robert Twine Job Twine Annie Cumberland
1909/B11014 Robert Cumberland Twine Job Twine Ann Cumberland
1877/C1840 Joh Twine Twine Adam Twine Sarah - ** born England aged 83 years
Supposedly arrived in 1849 but can't find any of the family in shipping records.
1879/C1854 Anne Twine - - ** aged 69 years
Deaths of two sons also in Qld.
1907/C1516 William Robert Twine Job Twine Annie Cumberland
1909/B11014 Robert Cumberland Twine Job Twine Ann Cumberland
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Hi Dave,
I seem to recall reading in one of your threads, that the Twine family has Gloucestershire connections, but can’t find it now!
Anyway, for your consideration only, there is a “stray” Frances Twine in Thorrnbury Glos, in 1841.
Name: Frances Twine
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834
Gender: Female
Where born: Gloucestershire
Civil parish: Cromhall Abbots Cromhall Lygon
County: Gloucestershire
Registration district: Thornbury
Sub-registration district: Thornbury
Isaac Heeling/Herling 49? Labourer N
Sarah Heeling/Herling 47 Y
Rebecca Heeling/Herling 7
Thomas Ford 20 Ag Lab y
John Ford 19 Coal miner Y
Frances Twine 7 F S Y
Could F S mean Female Servant?
I probably won't have much time to spare today - packing etc!
Catch up next week!
Josie
I seem to recall reading in one of your threads, that the Twine family has Gloucestershire connections, but can’t find it now!
Anyway, for your consideration only, there is a “stray” Frances Twine in Thorrnbury Glos, in 1841.
Name: Frances Twine
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834
Gender: Female
Where born: Gloucestershire
Civil parish: Cromhall Abbots Cromhall Lygon
County: Gloucestershire
Registration district: Thornbury
Sub-registration district: Thornbury
Isaac Heeling/Herling 49? Labourer N
Sarah Heeling/Herling 47 Y
Rebecca Heeling/Herling 7
Thomas Ford 20 Ag Lab y
John Ford 19 Coal miner Y
Frances Twine 7 F S Y
Could F S mean Female Servant?
I probably won't have much time to spare today - packing etc!
Catch up next week!
Josie
Hello Dave,
I've just found the marriage of Isaac Keeling and Sarah Ford. It took place at St James' church in Bristol, Gloucester on 18th August 1833. (Source FS.)
This explains the Ford connection above - maybe nephews, or sons from a previous marriage?
Unfortunately, it doesn't shed any light on the presence of Frances!
Josie
I've just found the marriage of Isaac Keeling and Sarah Ford. It took place at St James' church in Bristol, Gloucester on 18th August 1833. (Source FS.)
This explains the Ford connection above - maybe nephews, or sons from a previous marriage?
Unfortunately, it doesn't shed any light on the presence of Frances!
Josie
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Hello Josie,
Thanks for looking.
Yes, there is a Gloucestershire connection. Normally I'd say F S = Female Servant but Frances is 7! But name and age do fit.
William Robert TWINE c. 29 Jul 1834 Bullo Pill, Newnham, Gloucester, England - private IGI
In the marriage notice William is called the 3rd son so between 1831 and 1834 Job & Ann had Frances and two other sons, names unknown. Only William and the 3 younger ones are mentioned as arriving in 1849, not that I can find the shipping record. So perhaps Frances arrived earlier with 2 brothers. ???
Ok next week I night be 1000km away on a different part of my tree. :2fun:
Enjoy your time away from here.
Regards,
Dave
Thanks for looking.
Yes, there is a Gloucestershire connection. Normally I'd say F S = Female Servant but Frances is 7! But name and age do fit.
William Robert TWINE c. 29 Jul 1834 Bullo Pill, Newnham, Gloucester, England - private IGI
In the marriage notice William is called the 3rd son so between 1831 and 1834 Job & Ann had Frances and two other sons, names unknown. Only William and the 3 younger ones are mentioned as arriving in 1849, not that I can find the shipping record. So perhaps Frances arrived earlier with 2 brothers. ???
Ok next week I night be 1000km away on a different part of my tree. :2fun:
Enjoy your time away from here.
Regards,
Dave
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I think I've found one of those two missing sons. A marriage in Qld.:
1860/B025 Twine James - Johnston Mary
Mother should be Ann but this is his death:
1890/B23321 Twine James - Job - Elizabeth
And the other:
Marriage in NSW:
V1855278 82/1855 TWINE FREDERICK W - MACLEAN MARY A JI= Presbyterian Bathurst
Death 4913/1905 TWINE FREDERICK W - JOB ELIZABETH GLEBE
Interesting that both have Elizabeth as their mother's name.
Do we have a different Job TWINE married to Elizabeth?
Can't see a death in Australia for a 2nd Job.
The 1831 marriage and her death just have Anne (CUMBERLAND) and nothing to indicate it was Anne E or Elizabeth Anne.
Ok, what if Job was married to Elizabeth before he married Anne in 1831.
Spouse: Elizabeth FLETCHER
Marriage: 14 Apr 1824 Great Gaddesden, Hertford
groom's name: Job Twine
groom's birth date:
groom's birthplace:
groom's age:
bride's name: Elizabeth Fletcher
bride's birth date:
bride's birthplace:
bride's age:
marriage date: 14 Apr 1824
marriage place: Great Gaddesden, Hertford, England
groom's father's name:
groom's mother's name:
bride's father's name:
bride's mother's name:
groom's race:
groom's marital status: Single
groom's previous wife's name:
bride's race:
bride's marital status: Single
bride's previous husband's name:
indexing project (batch) number: M04738-3
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1537873
reference number:
1860/B025 Twine James - Johnston Mary
Mother should be Ann but this is his death:
1890/B23321 Twine James - Job - Elizabeth
And the other:
Marriage in NSW:
V1855278 82/1855 TWINE FREDERICK W - MACLEAN MARY A JI= Presbyterian Bathurst
Death 4913/1905 TWINE FREDERICK W - JOB ELIZABETH GLEBE
Interesting that both have Elizabeth as their mother's name.
Do we have a different Job TWINE married to Elizabeth?
Can't see a death in Australia for a 2nd Job.
The 1831 marriage and her death just have Anne (CUMBERLAND) and nothing to indicate it was Anne E or Elizabeth Anne.
Ok, what if Job was married to Elizabeth before he married Anne in 1831.
Spouse: Elizabeth FLETCHER
Marriage: 14 Apr 1824 Great Gaddesden, Hertford
groom's name: Job Twine
groom's birth date:
groom's birthplace:
groom's age:
bride's name: Elizabeth Fletcher
bride's birth date:
bride's birthplace:
bride's age:
marriage date: 14 Apr 1824
marriage place: Great Gaddesden, Hertford, England
groom's father's name:
groom's mother's name:
bride's father's name:
bride's mother's name:
groom's race:
groom's marital status: Single
groom's previous wife's name:
bride's race:
bride's marital status: Single
bride's previous husband's name:
indexing project (batch) number: M04738-3
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1537873
reference number:
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Privately submitted IGI records for 3 TWINE children:
James Fletcher c.3 Mar 1826 Bullo Pill, Newnham, Gloucester
Frances Cumberland c. 11 Mar 1828 Bullo Pill, Newnham, Gloucester
Frederick William c. 24 May 1830 Bullo Pill, Newnham, Gloucester
When did these three arrive in Australia? It was not with Job & Ann and Ann's 4 children. It is claimed they arrived in 1849 on the 'Lima' to Queensland.
Index to the Unassisted Arrivals NSW 1842-1855
TWINE Mr, Mrs, Fam Lima P 17 Oct 1849 London SMH Lima Co Ltd
TWINE Miss Tamar P 27 Nov 1849 Moreton Bay SMH
TWINE Mr London P 12 Sep 1854 Melbourne 400
TWINE Mr London P 12 Sep 1854 Melbourne SMH Irvine in SR list
Something is odd. Why has Frances a middle name Cumberland which is the family name of Job's 2nd wife Anne CUMBERLAND? The death reg for Frances has father = Thomas and mother = Ann !!! If Frances is Anne's child why didn't she arrive with the other 4 children?
Frederick and James both have mother as Elizabeth on death reg. It would just fit if Frederick and Frances swapped birth dates. ??? EDIT: Burial record confirms Frederick born in 1830.
When did Elizabeth die? Possible:
name: Elizabeth Tween
gender: Female
burial date: 04 Oct 1830
burial place: Stanstead-Abbots, Hertford, England
death date:
death place:
age:
birth date:
birthplace:
occupation:
race:
marital status:
spouse's name:
father's name:
father's birthplace:
mother's name:
mother's birthplace:
indexing project (batch) number: I01354-5
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1042206
reference number: p 38 rn 301
James Fletcher c.3 Mar 1826 Bullo Pill, Newnham, Gloucester
Frances Cumberland c. 11 Mar 1828 Bullo Pill, Newnham, Gloucester
Frederick William c. 24 May 1830 Bullo Pill, Newnham, Gloucester
When did these three arrive in Australia? It was not with Job & Ann and Ann's 4 children. It is claimed they arrived in 1849 on the 'Lima' to Queensland.
Index to the Unassisted Arrivals NSW 1842-1855
TWINE Mr, Mrs, Fam Lima P 17 Oct 1849 London SMH Lima Co Ltd
TWINE Miss Tamar P 27 Nov 1849 Moreton Bay SMH
TWINE Mr London P 12 Sep 1854 Melbourne 400
TWINE Mr London P 12 Sep 1854 Melbourne SMH Irvine in SR list
Something is odd. Why has Frances a middle name Cumberland which is the family name of Job's 2nd wife Anne CUMBERLAND? The death reg for Frances has father = Thomas and mother = Ann !!! If Frances is Anne's child why didn't she arrive with the other 4 children?
Frederick and James both have mother as Elizabeth on death reg. It would just fit if Frederick and Frances swapped birth dates. ??? EDIT: Burial record confirms Frederick born in 1830.
When did Elizabeth die? Possible:
name: Elizabeth Tween
gender: Female
burial date: 04 Oct 1830
burial place: Stanstead-Abbots, Hertford, England
death date:
death place:
age:
birth date:
birthplace:
occupation:
race:
marital status:
spouse's name:
father's name:
father's birthplace:
mother's name:
mother's birthplace:
indexing project (batch) number: I01354-5
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1042206
reference number: p 38 rn 301
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Marriage of Frederick William:
V1855278 82/1855 TWINE FREDERICK W - MACLEAN MARY A JI= Presbyterian Bathurst
The Moreton Bay Courier (Brisbane, Qld. : 1846 - 1861) - Saturday 15 December 1855 p.3
MARRIED
By special license, at Rainham, on Tuesday, 27th December, 1855, by the Revd. James B. Laughton, B.A., of St. Stephen's Church, Bathurst, Frederick William, second son of Mr. J. Twine, Moreton Bay, to Mary, second daughter of Mr. Roderick McLean, of George's Plains.
Burial:
http://www2.canterbury.nsw.gov.au/history/cemetery/moorefields/alpha/551.htm
V1855278 82/1855 TWINE FREDERICK W - MACLEAN MARY A JI= Presbyterian Bathurst
The Moreton Bay Courier (Brisbane, Qld. : 1846 - 1861) - Saturday 15 December 1855 p.3
MARRIED
By special license, at Rainham, on Tuesday, 27th December, 1855, by the Revd. James B. Laughton, B.A., of St. Stephen's Church, Bathurst, Frederick William, second son of Mr. J. Twine, Moreton Bay, to Mary, second daughter of Mr. Roderick McLean, of George's Plains.
Burial:
http://www2.canterbury.nsw.gov.au/history/cemetery/moorefields/alpha/551.htm
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The extracted baptism records for Thomas and John have parents as Thomas FORD and Sarah FORD.
Thomas c. 25 May 1823 Henbury, Gloucester
John William c. 29 Jul 1821 Henbury, Gloucester
I thought Sarah's maiden name might have been FLETCHER, a sister of Job's first spouse, Elizabeth.
Still stuck. Looks like the name is WATKINS.
Thomas FORD & Sarah WATKINS
Marriage: 25 Feb 1819 Henbury, Gloucester
Marriage record says Elizabeth FLETCHER was single so her maiden name was not WATKINS.
Thomas c. 25 May 1823 Henbury, Gloucester
John William c. 29 Jul 1821 Henbury, Gloucester
I thought Sarah's maiden name might have been FLETCHER, a sister of Job's first spouse, Elizabeth.
Still stuck. Looks like the name is WATKINS.
Thomas FORD & Sarah WATKINS
Marriage: 25 Feb 1819 Henbury, Gloucester
Marriage record says Elizabeth FLETCHER was single so her maiden name was not WATKINS.
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Exactly. :2fun:
Another NSW marriage with no entry in the BMD index:
The Sydney Morning Herald - Wednesday 14 July 1852 p.3
MARRIED
By special license, on the 13th Instant, by the Rev. A. Salmon, Mr. James Reid Maxwell, of Sofala, to Frances Cumberland, eldest daughter of Job Twine, Esq., of Grove Farm, Moreton Bay.
Death 3991/1885 MAXWELL FRANCIS C - JOB - ELIZABETH - GLEBE
MAXWELL Frances Cumberland Death notice 26APR1885 Death at Forest Lodge SMH 27APR1885
The Sydney Morning Herald - Monday 27 April 1885 p.1
Deaths.
MAXWELL.-April 26, at Ada-terrace, Old Parramatta-road, Forest Lodge, Sydney, Frances Cumberland, the beloved wife of James R. Maxwell, aged 57 years, eldest daughter of the late J. Twine, Newnham, Gloucestershire, England.
So this marriage is Job's second, his first spouse being Elizabeth.
Job Twine & Anne Cumberland
18 Aug 1831 Walden-St. Paul's, Hertford
Still don't know when Frances arrived in Australia.
If she was baptised in 1828 and her mother was Elizabeth how did she get the middle name Cumberland which was the maiden name of her father's second spouse - 1831 marriage?
Another NSW marriage with no entry in the BMD index:
The Sydney Morning Herald - Wednesday 14 July 1852 p.3
MARRIED
By special license, on the 13th Instant, by the Rev. A. Salmon, Mr. James Reid Maxwell, of Sofala, to Frances Cumberland, eldest daughter of Job Twine, Esq., of Grove Farm, Moreton Bay.
Death 3991/1885 MAXWELL FRANCIS C - JOB - ELIZABETH - GLEBE
MAXWELL Frances Cumberland Death notice 26APR1885 Death at Forest Lodge SMH 27APR1885
The Sydney Morning Herald - Monday 27 April 1885 p.1
Deaths.
MAXWELL.-April 26, at Ada-terrace, Old Parramatta-road, Forest Lodge, Sydney, Frances Cumberland, the beloved wife of James R. Maxwell, aged 57 years, eldest daughter of the late J. Twine, Newnham, Gloucestershire, England.
So this marriage is Job's second, his first spouse being Elizabeth.
Job Twine & Anne Cumberland
18 Aug 1831 Walden-St. Paul's, Hertford
Still don't know when Frances arrived in Australia.
If she was baptised in 1828 and her mother was Elizabeth how did she get the middle name Cumberland which was the maiden name of her father's second spouse - 1831 marriage?
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