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Hi there. A first post for me but I hope someone can help. Attached is
[/url][/IMG] a photo of my Great Grandfather circa WW1, unfortunately I can't id the cap badge from the photo - any ideas? I have little information on him presently other than his surname (Bryant), that he served in some way in WWI and survived the war. His was likely to be living in or near Marlow, Bucks at the start of the war.
 

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Hi Devon,

More info would be of help as you would be able to look up his medal card and possibly his service/pension record.

What info have you got that enabled you to trace back to him?
 
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Hi Julie,

Not much to go on. The photo was passed to my Granmother (his daughter) and then to me via my mum. Gran spoke of her father serving in the WWI and was eventually pursueded to dig out the pic a little while ago. There is a family resemblence, especially to my Gran's brother which is good. My mum, the oldest sibling doesn't know his first name or dob and she was only 13 when he died. Gran was born in 1915 in Marlow Bucks which helps only a little. We know of no other records etc held by family - in short bit of a mystery. I'm trying to get is full name and dob but thought that if I could get his regiment it would help my search a little. Only other info I have is that he sold fruit and veg from a horse/wagon after the war and owned a small market garden but I'm not sure that was his job when he joined-up.

SDevon
 

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Hi SDevon,

Do you know your gt grandmothers name and will see if the marriage can be traced. If you dont know then your grans name, as she was born 1915 the birth index will show mothers maiden name and hopefully can trace the marriage through that.
 
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Hi again Julie,

Good advice here - thanks. Nothing on gt gran alas but I know gran's first name and she was a Bryant + her full dob and where. I'll try the birth index. Forgive by naivety but I've heard of the index but know little about accessing it... can you point me in the right direction?

Any clues regarding the cap badge? From the original scan of the photo (a little better than I can post here) it looks like a castle with two outer turrets taller than a central structure/gate house? Underneath is a 'w' shaped scroll I believe. No wreath or anything else surrounding the 'castle' and above this seems to be an unconnected cap button perhaps or similar.

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Hi SDevon,

You can search the partial bmd index on free bmd (only goes up to a certain date as this ongoing).

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/

Or there is Ancestry.co.uk which you can view bmd's census service records, medal card index plus much more. Ancestry have a 14 day free trial after that its pay per view except for the partial bmd and 1881 census.

http://www.ancestry.co.uk/
 
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Hi Julie,

Thanks for tips. I've now tracked down at least my gt grandfathers name via my grans birth records and then his marriage records. He is George Bryant (no middle name/initial) who married at Gertrude E Honey btwn Oct-Dec 1915 in Maidenhead nr Marlow Bucks. His daughter (my Gran) is Lilian E Bryant who was born in Dec of the same year! Her birth registration records tie-up.
Bit of brick wall now since I don't know his regiment or where/when he was born. I've tracked a man of the same name born in the same area (Wycombe, Bucks) in 1892 which would make him at least the right age and if he was a local the in the right place - big assumptions unfortunately. Still, the trail is still warm and thanks for helping me along it a little.

Any help from folks regarding the cap badge still appreciated!

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Hi SDevon,

No luck with the badge. I've tried googling but far to many.

The marriage certificate will show fathers name, occupation and age of bride and groom and hopefully you will be able to trace them on the census.
Certificates are a very important part of tracing family history, marriage and birth certificates will confirm fathers names and mothers maiden name on the birth certificate and not forgetting death certificates which can be helpful though not always.
 

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Hi SDevon,
I downloaded your photo into my photo suite and cleaned it up a bit. You can see the cap badge a lot more clearly, but someone with a more military eye should help.
I went on an ebay search to find my Uncles cap badge and found it.

Also I noticed that he had 'spurs' on his boots, which would suggest Cavalry/Light Artillery or even Blacksmith.
I had a relative who was drafted for his blacksmith skills.
It sometimes pays to think outside of the box.

Keep going, it is well worth it.

regards. Steve.
 
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Hi Steve,

Thanks for looking into it. I must admit I've drawn a blank about his military service, but I have been able to track more on the family history which I hope will tie things up in the long run. Is it possible for you to upload your cleaned up version onto the thread?

Thanks again,

SDevon
 

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Hi Sdevon,
I think I've done this right. Take a look at is boots.
Fingers crossed. View attachment 23
Hi Steve,

Thanks for looking into it. I must admit I've drawn a blank about his military service, but I have been able to track more on the family history which I hope will tie things up in the long run. Is it possible for you to upload your cleaned up version onto the thread?

Thanks again,

SDevon
 
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Hi Steve,

Thanks for looking into it. I must admit I've drawn a blank about his military service, but I have been able to track more on the family history which I hope will tie things up in the long run. Is it possible for you to upload your cleaned up version onto the thread?

Thanks again,

SDevon
Found a possible hit in the war pensions:-

Albert Bryant.
3. Trinity Lane, Marlow.
Grenadier Guards.
No. 20759
Age. 29yrs 11months.
Signed up - 1914

Might be worth a check.
 

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To me it looks like an Inniskiling Dragoons Badge (see here: http://www.militarybadges.org.uk/badges/cava2.htm ) although the flag is a little higher on your photo (unless that's the button that was mentioned).

The uniform looks more cav than Guards. The bandolier also says cav rather than driver, to me. I checked to see if maybe he was wearing the badge of the Gurads Machine Gun battalion (as a driver or something similar), but he's not. It's not the Bucks Hussars (the local Yeomanry unit to Marlow), either.

So your next mystery is, why was he in an Irish regiment?

Oh, and how do you cope with the shame of having a donkey walloper in the family?? :eek:
 

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To me it looks like an Inniskiling Dragoons Badge (see here: http://www.militarybadges.org.uk/badges/cava2.htm ) although the flag is a little higher on your photo (unless that's the button that was mentioned).

The uniform looks more cav than Guards. The bandolier also says cav rather than driver, to me. I checked to see if maybe he was wearing the badge of the Gurads Machine Gun battalion (as a driver or something similar), but he's not. It's not the Bucks Hussars (the local Yeomanry unit to Marlow), either.

So your next mystery is, why was he in an Irish regiment?

Oh, and how do you cope with the shame of having a donkey walloper in the family?? :eek:
Hi Minden, Steady on, someone might be 'offended' by your last line.

Steve.
 

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Hi SDevon,
there are a few things other than the cap badge which may help identify the uniform,
The lanyard on his left shoulder suggests some involvement with artillery.
The leather belt with the ammunition pocket (bandolier) was usually only worn by those with warrant or commissioned officer status, it may also indicate a light artillery connection.
The stick (if it is part of the uniform and not just a walking aid) may indicate sergeant major or regimental sergeant major status, it is not the standard 'pace stick' but not all officers or regiments used the standard stick.
The spurs ( as already mentioned) are probably indicative of cavalry or light artillery (if he is in his standard uniform), but officers dress uniform for all regiments had (still has?) small spikes or spurs as a standard part of the footwear, irrespective of whether the unit had any involvement with horses.

so taking all those elements into consideration I would guess that he was an officer in a light artillery regiment, possibly a sergeant major. The suggestion of Iniskilling Dragoons would fit perfectly with this as they were a cavalry / light artillery regiment at the time (a dragoon was a type of musket designed to be used by mounted soldiers).

As for the question of how a Bucks man would have ended up in an Irish regiment.... Units did not enlist solely from their local area, and they did move around a bit, so someone signing up would have been placed with whatever regiment needed people and might have been stationed in the area at the time, some of my ancestors enlisted in Kent and were put into Scottish regiments!

There are a couple of books I can recommend for further research into the pic and the cap badge...
'Identifying your WW1 soldier from badges and photograhs', by Iain Swinnerton,
and 'British army cap badges of the 20th century' by Arthur Ward,
your local library should be able to get copies of both these titles.

Hope this helps
Jon
 
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Just had this back from the museum of the Royal Dragoon Guards (descendants of the 6th Dragoons):

"I cannot see the badge in good enough detail as you have scanned it so small. I do not think it is a Skins badge as it does not look square enough. Can you scan it with greater detail. Also there are no badges on his lapels which the regiment had in accordance with Dress Regulation 1911."

So maybe I'm barking up the wrong tree.
 

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