Victorian Conflicts

[trueblueaussie]

Hoping someone can assist me with a couple of question about British military info in the Victorian conflicts. I have a family member who I know was in Afghanistan (Kyber pass) in 1878-1881. I have recently come across another military document that raises a few questions for me.
The online document is titled, 'Canada, British army regimental rolls of non-commissioned officers and soldiers, 1806-1892' and (Volume 7-9) 48th Foot, 17th Foot 1st Battn .
The document lists his personal, enlistment and discharge info. I have no issue with most of this, it has that he was born in Birmingham Warwickshire, correct. The military location / enlistment location is given as Nottingham??. And his location is Canada.?? He enlisted in 1875 and was discharged in 1881 when he left Afghanistan. I believe he was with the 17th - Leicester while in Afghan.
My questions are:
1. I have looked through the dates of when British soldiers were in Canada, and most had left by 1875. I can find no records or the 48th (Northampton) or 17th being there at this time. Why would they have been there, when most had left Canada? And where would I find records? I've looked around but can't see anything that seems remotely close.
2. Why would someone who lives in Birmingham enlist in Nottingham, then they seem to be in the Leicester regiment?
3. How/where can I find what he did between 75 in Canada and 78 in Afghan?
Any assistance greatly appreciated.
Thanks
True Blue Aussie

 

[Ellie7]

The 48th foot became the 58th Foot
https://wiki.fibis.org/w/58th_Regiment_of_Foot

 

[p.risboy]

Some regiments were actually Militia. Regiments were often merged for practical reasons. You may possibly find his military records in FMP, which may explain more, than we can guess at.
The link supplied by Ellie, also explains some issues partly, so read that, go through the links, and see what you can glean to make sense of it.

As for travelling to sign up.....did he run away, was it the only place to go which was as local as he could find. Did he have relatives elsewhere.?

I had a rellie, born in Bucks, and signed up in Garston, Liverpool. It happens, and sometimes we never know the reasons.!

As for Victorian conflicts....just pick a part of what was the British Empire, and countries close to it. Conflicts were everywhere on the globe.

Steve.

 

[trueblueaussie]

Some regiments were actually Militia. Regiments were often merged for practical reasons. You may possibly find his military records in FMP, which may explain more, than we can guess at.
The link supplied by Ellie, also explains some issues partly, so read that, go through the links, and see what you can glean to make sense of it.

As for travelling to sign up.....did he run away, was it the only place to go which was as local as he could find. Did he have relatives elsewhere.?

I had a rellie, born in Bucks, and signed up in Garston, Liverpool. It happens, and sometimes we never know the reasons.!

As for Victorian conflicts....just pick a part of what was the British Empire, and countries close to it. Conflicts were everywhere on the globe.

Steve.

Thanks for that Steve.
I’ll have a close look through the link.
What do you mean by FMP? It’s not an acronym i reconise.
As far as travelling, he was born in, died in and all his family were and are still in B’ham.
I’ve already looked at who was where in the Empire in the time period and there really isn’t a lot of info that I could find. Most regiments say they were back in England during this time particularly if they’d been in Canada previously.

Thanks
TBA

 

[Ellie7]

FMP that is FindMyPast

would help if we had a name.

 

[Ellie7]

There was a Whodoyouthinkyouare American programme .All I remember was Brittish living in Canada and having to chose wither they were on the Brittish side or the American side.I would imagine fighting on both sides of America and Canada. Not sure if that was to early for your Ancesters.

 

[Ellie7]

All Canada, British Army Regimental Rolls of Non-commissioned Officers and Soldiers, 1806-1892 Results there are 12 pages on Ancestry so a name would be handy

 

[Ellie7]

'Canada, British Regimental Registers of Service, 1756-1900'
From TNA, WO 25/266–558, 632–634, 677–683, 686–688, 3913–3914, 5411-5516
Browse the collection to see a list of regiments included. The volume I looked at is WO 25/3914, which Ancestry shows as for the Royal Engineers, 1866-1873. The random page I selected to look at (image 300) is a 'Statement of the Services of Maule Campbell Brackenbury', which gives his date and place of birth (20 September 1844, Cadiz), a summary of his various promotions) and some details of his service in the Afghan Campaign. Image 302 has the facing page, with a long list of 'Instances in which the Officer has distinguished himself by Gallant or Skilful Conduct), details of medals received, and summary of service at home and abroad (none of the latter in Canada, as far as I can see; he joined before 1866 and served well after 1873 so the covering dates given by Ancestry are a bit odd)

https://genealogy-specialists.com/threads/some-new-military-records-hidden-on-ancestry.899/

 

[trueblueaussie]

All Canada, British Army Regimental Rolls of Non-commissioned Officers and Soldiers, 1806-1892 Results there are 12 pages on Ancestry so a name would be handy

He is Richard Cook born 1851 Aston Birmingham. His medal has his service number as 27B/486, with the 17th Foot 1st Bn. But the record I found recently just had the 486.

 

[trueblueaussie]

'Canada, British Regimental Registers of Service, 1756-1900'
From TNA, WO 25/266–558, 632–634, 677–683, 686–688, 3913–3914, 5411-5516
Browse the collection to see a list of regiments included. The volume I looked at is WO 25/3914, which Ancestry shows as for the Royal Engineers, 1866-1873. The random page I selected to look at (image 300) is a 'Statement of the Services of Maule Campbell Brackenbury', which gives his date and place of birth (20 September 1844, Cadiz), a summary of his various promotions) and some details of his service in the Afghan Campaign. Image 302 has the facing page, with a long list of 'Instances in which the Officer has distinguished himself by Gallant or Skilful Conduct), details of medals received, and summary of service at home and abroad (none of the latter in Canada, as far as I can see; he joined before 1866 and served well after 1873 so the covering dates given by Ancestry are a bit odd)

https://genealogy-specialists.com/threads/some-new-military-records-hidden-on-ancestry.899/

The link here, lists the attachment where I found the Canada comment. It re-affirms what I thought, that he wasn't in Canada at all it's just Ancestry's bad labelling. I'll check the WO25's you have listed above, hopefully I can find some more details there.

Thanks Ellie 7 for your assistance.
TBA

 

[trueblueaussie]

He is Richard Cook born 1851 Aston Birmingham. His medal has his service number as 27B/486, with the 17th Foot 1st Bn. But the record I found recently just had the 486.

 

[trueblueaussie]

This the medal roll, which shows his return to England in Jan 1881 and discharge in March 1881, which matches the 1st document for discharge date.

 

[Ellie7]

Yes ,it looks to me that Ancestry has bought /swopped these records ,and put their own title to them .Not enough to separate into where they served, so lumped them all together.