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Violet alice louise jezard-1911 census

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Dear Family History UK

Violet Alice Louise Jezard

Have found:-
Born: 1890 Kensington, Earls Court
Baptised: 1896 Kensington, Earls Court
Census: 1901 Prittlewell

Have not been able to find:-
Census: 1911


Thank you for your help
 
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Hi

welcome - to the forum

Violet's father George was a Steward on P&O, so its possible they were abroad a lot. Her mother was May

there is another Violet A L Jezzard born 1913 Hastings to parents Frank Albert Jezzard and Rose Cordelia Cramp, married j/s 1903 Hastings

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:biggrin: Good Evening Dave - the Welcome made me laugh out loud - thank you!

Thank you for your message - yes that makes perfect sense.

That also makes perfect sense in that we can't find:

George and May Jezard's marriage (got married abroad)?
George and May together or apart in the 1901 census (abroad)?
George and May and Violet together or apart in 1911 census (abroad)?

While they may have been abroad for official record keeping but could have returned to England at other times, they could also have made a life in another country due to George's job with P&O after visiting other countries.

Thank you! That's why all our ancestors keeping disappearing!

Edward Leslie Court (mother's maiden name Ruth/Ruby Jezard) born in 1905 Fulham went to live in Canada in 1926!
 

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Hi

Just to add to Dave's find:

On the same day as Violet's baptism there was another baptism from the same address; 133 Finboro or Finsboro Rd., Horace Thresher or Thrasher. This may or may not be of some help.

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Dear Geoff
Thank you for your post - I'll get back to you about the Horace Thresher/Thrasher baptism - it's complicated! A stiff drink at the ready would be in order!

Dear Dave
We've had so much to think about with this branch of the family, the P&O profession makes perfect sense to put your child in a boarding school by the sea (Prittlewell is in Southend - probably close to a port that P&O operated from in Victorian times).

Thank you both!
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Hello Geoff

Regarding the Horace Thresher baptism in 1896 at St Phillips Church where Violet was baptised on the same day, with Violet and her family and Horace and his family living at the same address:

Horace's parents Percy Thresher and Louisa Thresher at this stage are not married. Percy's real name is Percy Atkins and Louisa's real name is Louisa Thrasher. Percy and Louisa get married in 1905. In the 1911 census they are living together at 12a Inglethorpe Street as Percy Atkins and Louisa Atkins and their 'son' Horace is not living with them. Despite it being accurately correct that they have no children or have lost no children from their marriage (with Horace being born as Horace Thrasher in 1893 and baptised as Horace Thresher in 1896 and Percy and Louisa getting married in 1905) they also do not mention him at all.

In the 1911 electoral register Percy Atkins calls himself Percy Thresher living at 12a Inglethorpe Street.

In the 1918 electoral register Percy Atkins calls himself Percy Thrasher living at 12a Inglethorpe Street.

Horace Thrasher/Thresher is born and baptised
Horace Thrasher/Thresher is not on 1901 census or 1911
Horace Thrasher/Thresher does not get married
Horace Thrasher/Thresher does not die

We have a relative who was illegitimate and rumoured to be the son of an aristocrat. The illegitimate son is:

Horace Courtenay who we cannot find a birth for
Horace Courtenay who we cannot find a baptism for
Horace Courtenay who is on 1901 census
Horace Courtenay who is on 1911 census
Horace Courtenay who marries in 1924
Horace Courtenay who dies in 1959

Kensington Register Office has looked at this case and believe that Horace Thrasher/Thresher and Horace Courtenay are the same baby.

We also contacted the GRO as it has taken several years determination and research on our part and help from various people to finally come to this point. The GRO believe that the Thrasher/Jezard/Courtenay family shied away from officialdom and keeping official records despite it being the law to do so or used different names (as has found to be the case).

We have ordered several certificates from the GRO without problem before yesterday when we were contacted by the GRO because they could not process our birth certificate for Violet as the parents quoted (from her baptism) were incorrect. We have searched for details of Violet's parents George Jezard and May Jezard also without success (but as George was a P&O steward has been suggested that they could have been out of the country when married, for census taking and other official records), so we are going to try again and order Violet's birth certificate without the parent check. When we order Horace Thrasher's birth certificate we will also order without the parent check.

In the 1901 census Violet Jezard (down as Gezard) is at the boarding school in Southend with Horace Courtenay who were both born in Earls Court, London.

In the 1901 census, Horace Courtenay's mother, (Grace) Alice Maud Mary Courtenay (born as Alice Maud Mary Thrasher and may have used Jezard as her mother Priscilla Thrasher remarried to John Jezard), is living in a boarding house living on own means.

We have only just found out through using The Stage online archive that (Grace) Alice and Louisa's sister Ruth Jezard (Ruth Thrasher) was an actress and played at The Royal Drury Lane Theatre. We are going to look further to see if all sisters had theatrical jobs, as Ruth's husband Albert Edward Court was Chief Of Staff at the London Colesium and Louisa's husband Percy Atkins was a Theatrical Business Manager. With illegitimacy and class, the question is who but the other question is how? We are wondering if (Grace) Alice was either an actress herself or met the father of her illegitimate child at the theatre.

Any thoughts gratefully received - but I think waiting on Violet's and Horace's birth certificates may have to be the answer for now?

Thank you!
 

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