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DaveHam9

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Hello,

1881
RG11 piece/folio 714 / 56 page 9
Civil Parish: Deptford St Paul
County: Kent
Address: 64 Manor Rd.
Charles R. Wall 48 b. London, Middx. Occ. Gypsum Merchant
Emma S. Wall 44 b. Portsmouth.
Robert T. Wall 18
William D. Wall 15
James J. Wall son 13 b. Greenwich, Kent
Frank H.R. Wall 8
Dudley C. Wall 6 b. Greenwich
Emma Burke 24 Servant b. Rochester, Kent
All children born Greenwich

Possible Unassisted but age is a bit out.

WALL JAMES 17 MAR 1887 GARONNE B 479 003

Marriage 2796/1893 WALL JAMES J - WHITEMAN HELENA J - CAMDEN

May 8, 1893 in the Wesleyan Church Camden
James John Wall Bachelor Greenwich Kent England Storekeeper Assistant Bowral Charles Robert Wall Emma Spray [Spry] Stephens Merchant
Helena Jane Whiteman Spinster Camden Cumberland NSW Residing with her mother Camden Nelson Whiteman Eliza Furner Farmer
By me William Wall
Both signed
Witnesses: Annie Mary Fletcher, Dudley Charles Wall

I also have no death for James J.

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Hi Dave,

There is a Dudley Wall in Canada 1911 year of birth about 1874 born England. He went to Canada in 1907 as per census.

Dudley in 1901 is a ------ clerk, the Dudley in Canada is an accountant.
 

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Hello Julie,

Thanks for looking.

The marriage in Australia was in 1893. So he was back in England by 1901.

name: Dudley C Wall
event: Census
event date: 1891
gender: Male
age: 16
relationship to head of household: Brother
birthplace: Greenwich, Kent
record type: Household
registration district: Greenwich
sub-district: Greenwich West
ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
civil parish: Greenwich
county: London, Middlesex

So he travelled just to witness his brother's marriage.

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I wonder if James John returned to England after his spouse died in 1894.

No sign in 1911 and no sign of a death that fits. None of these fit either:

WALL John J. Death notice 08MAR1893 Death late of West Maitland Maitland Mercury 22APR1893
WALL John James Death notice 01JUL1959 Death 80 late of Riverstone Sydney Morning Herald 02JUL1959
WALL John James Death notice 11MAY1971 Death 85 at R.G.H. Concord, late of Hornsby Sydney Morning Herald 12MAY1971
 
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Hi Dave,

Helena did die young not long after marrying. Theres this marriage for a James J Wall in 1907 to a Maude E Foster district Newtown NSW. There are other James Wall marrying but this one had the middle initial 'J'.
 

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Hi Dave and Julie,

There was a birth of a boy for James and Helena in 1894. Wonder if she died in childbirth:confused:

NSW birth index
7314/1894
WALL FRANK D N
father JAMES J
mother HELENA J
district BOWRAL

Maybe the son's name might help track James.
 

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I noticed that marriage Julie but could not find a notice for it in TROVE.

Francis Dudley Nelson and one researcher gave me this as his death although the place and initials don't agree.

Death 4001/1894 WALL FRANCIS N W - JAMES - HELENA - CAMDEN
 

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No sign of a Francis Dudley and no James John in Electoral rolls either.

I think we are stuck. I've checked all the James in Ryerson and no death that fits.

I've checked for a death in Qld.

There is a death for a James John in Victoria in 1925 but neither father = Charles or mother = Emma give a hit.
 
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The Camden Pioneer Register is not 100% accurate. ;)

One of my FURNER ancestors was Mayor of Camden and the register does not give all his details without error.

Seems no tree has a death for James.

I don't believe anything on the trees by the author who has James being born in Braidwood, NSW. :rolleyes:

A John James was born in Braidwood.
 

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Can the burial for Helena be found? Just a thought as sometimes family members are buried together. Maybe hubby or baby might be buried with her.
 

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Shipping record:

WALL JAMES 17 - MAR 1887 GARONNE B 479 003

WALL James - 17 English
WALL Thos. - barber 21 English
 

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Can't tell if that is James in the shipping record. There is no older brother Thomas in the census.

Yes, still looking for a death but I think we are stuck.
 

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