Walter McLUCKIE

[DaveHam9]

1841
Piece: SCT1841/646 Place: Govan -Lanarkshire ED: 6
Civil Parish: Govan Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: Gorbals
Folio: 0 Page: 26
Address: Fire Works
Surname First name(s) *** Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
McLUCKIE Alexander M 60 Coal Miner Lanarkshire ? [Stirling]
McLUCKIE Janet F 60 Lanarkshire ? [Stirling]
McLUCKIE Janet F 11 Lanarkshire <--- parents ?
McLUCKIE Walter M 27 Lanarkshire

Walter's brother John.

1851
Piece: SCT1851/646 Place: Govan -Lanarkshire ED: 6
Civil Parish: Govan Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: Fireworks
Folio: 626 Page: 18 Schedule: 58
Address: Fireworks, Garden Square
Surname First name(s) Rel Status *** Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
McLUCKIE John Head M M 30 Coalminer Lanarkshire - Govan
McLUCKIE Ann Wife M F 32 Lanarkshire - Govan
McLUCKIE Janet Dau - F 8 Scholar Lanarkshire - Govan
McLUCKIE Christina Dau - F 6 Scholar Lanarkshire - Govan
McLUCKIE Walter Son - M 4 Lanarkshire - Govan
VEITCH Mary lodger U F 20 Steam Loom Weaver Lanarkshire - Govan ? [Edinburgh]

John's second marriage

1860 McLUCKIE JOHN - VEITCH MARY 644/4 414 Calton (Glasgow)

John McLuckie coal miner age 40
Father - Alexander McLuckie coal miner dec. ** death 1851 - 1861 not found
Mother - Janet McLuckie M.S. Allan dec. ** death 1865 and son John was the informant
Mary Veitch spinster age 30
Father - Robert Veitch
Mother - Christian/Christina Buchanan
Witness - Walter McLuckie

Witness is probably brother Walter but I'm having trouble finding Walter in 1851 and 1861.

Thanks,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Nothing is easy with McLuckie families.

Another Walter not in my tree.

Walter b. 22 Jul 1813 Shotts, Lanarkshire
Alexander McLUCKIE & Janet LIVINGSTON

That one is here

1851
Piece: SCT1851/487 Place: Polmont -Stirlingshire ED: 6
Civil Parish: Polmont Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: Polmont
Folio: 487 Page: 17 Schedule: 62
Address: -
Surname First name(s) Rel Status *** Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
MCLUCKIE Walter Head M M 37 Coal Miner Lanarkshire - Shotts
MCLUCKIE Mary Wife M F 31 Lanarkshire - Old Monkland
MCLUCKIE Alexander Son - M 9 Scholar Lanarkshire - Airdrie
MCLUCKIE Margaret Dau - F 8 Scholar Lanarkshire - Airdrie
MCLUCKIE Isabella Dau - F 5 Scholar Lanarkshire - Airdrie
MCLUCKIE William Son - M 3 Lanarkshire - Airdrie
MCLUCKIE Robina Dau - F 2 Stirlingshire - Polmont

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

If the Walter in my tree had children with names that followed pattern then

1st son Alexander
1st daughter Margaret
2nd son John
2nd daughter Helen
3rd son ?
3rd daughter Janet (or Jane etc...)

Dave

 

[emeltee]

1851
Polmont, Stirlingshire
Walter McLuckie 37 Coal Miner Shotts, Lanarkshire
Mary McLuckie 31 wife Old Monkland
Alex son 9 Airdrie
Margaret dau 8 Airdrie
Isabella dau 5 Airdrie
William son 3 Airdire
Robina dau 2 Polmont

1861
Redding Muir, Polmont, Stirlingshire
Walter McCluckie 48 Coal Miner Shotts, lanarkshire
Mary McCluckie wife 40 Old Monkland
Alex son 20 Coal Miner New Monkland
Mary dau 18 Dressmaker New Monkland
Isabella dau 16 New Monkland
William son 13 Coal Miner New Monkland
Robina dau 12 Polmont
Jane dau 8 Polmont
Agnes dau 6 Polmont
Margaret dau 1 Polmont
Thomas Hutchins Boarder 0 Lanarkshire

Emeltee

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Emeltee.

I didn't have that 1861.

That is one of the 2x Walter abt same age.

Looking at the deaths.

MCLUCKIE
WALTER
62
1875
487/ 66
Polmont

No other death to 1920 with an age that fits.

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

So, if the one born 1813 Shotts died in Polmont in 1875 then witness Walter in 1860 marriage for the John in my tree is ... ??

2x Walter and both with father = Alexander

Only one found in census and only one death in Scotland that fits.

So Walter the witness to 1860 marriage remains a mystery. Not John's 13 year-old son.

 

[DaveHam9]

John's son and wife.

Death 1917 McLUCKIE WALTER 70 Rutherglen 654/ 163

Death 1927 McLUCKIE ISABELLA [HUNTER] 80 Rutherglen 654/ 69

 

[DaveHam9]

Currently revisiting 'M' in my tree so back to this one.

I would expect the witness to be John's brother Walter born abt 1814, not John's 13 year-old son and not the Walter born Shotts.

However only one Walter born abt 1814 in census and only one death found that fits.

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Back to 'M' in my tree.

I still think the witness has to be the brother but only one Walter seems to exist in the records.

 

[horse]

Another Walter not in my tree.

Walter b. 22 Jul 1813 Shotts, Lanarkshire
Alexander McLUCKIE & Janet LIVINGSTON

MCLUCKIE ALEXANDER & JANET LIVINGSTON/FR792 (FR792)
06/09/1812
655/
30 300
Shotts

If that Janet died before John's birth, assuming his father remarried [another Janet].. Walter and John would have different mothers. Have you got the marriage for Alexander Mc and Janet Allan?

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Marriage not found on SP Geoff.

No birth/baptism found for Robert, Walter or John.

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Death 1865 McLUCKIE Janet [ALLAN] Age ? Govan 646/1 450

"Janet Allan McLuckie, her age shows unrecorded on the index but it is her, widow of Alexander. She died at the address that we have her on now for 1861. Son John with an address in Bridgeton, Glasgow reported her death at the grand age of 95. Her parents John Allan and Margaret Simpson."


24/09/1809 McLUCKIE HELEN - ALEXANDER McLUCKIE/JANET ALLAN FR1214 CHILD 5 BARONY GLASGOW CITY CITY/LANARK 622/00 0050 0090

 

[horse]

Ah well! One less theory to be concerned with

Geoff

 

[horse]

Not sure what to make of this.. Robert Mc'

Family Search

So a Robert and a Walter with a mother = Livingstone, maybe not uncommon given the names.

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Walter transcribed as Natter/Netter in one census but still only one found. Should be two deaths after 1860.

Death 1875 McLUCKIE WALTER 62 Polmont 487/ 66

That's the one born Shotts.

 

[horse]

Walter transcribed as Natter/Netter in one census but still only one found. Should be two deaths after 1860.

Death 1875 McLUCKIE WALTER 62 Polmont 487/ 66

That's the one born Shotts.

Thanks, Dave..

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

One tree has an error.

Walter Mcluckie
Born 25 Jul 1813 in Shotts, Lanarkshire
Son of Alexander McLuckie and Isabella Maxwell

 

[DaveHam9]

I now have a copy of John's 1860 marriage.

 

[horse]

Thanks, Dave.. I thought the problem was, trying to work out which Walter was the witness?

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Yes it is. I only had someone's transcription that a witness was Walter. I wanted to be sure the name was Walter so I just spent some credits.

As I've said, I don't think the witness is John's 13 year-old son and is probably brother not the other unrelated Walter.

Problem is there is no death for Walter, brother of John, in the index after 1860.

How many Walter McLuckie's born 1813 +/- 2 years can be found in 1861 census?


1861
Redding Muir, Polmont, Stirlingshire
Walter McCluckie 48 Coal Miner Shotts Lanarkshire
Mary McCluckie Wife 40 Old Monkland
Alex son 20 Coal Miner New Monkland
Mary dau 18 Dressmaker New Monkland
Isabella dau 16 New Monkland
William son 13 Coal Miner New Monkland
Robina dau 12 Polmont
Jane dau 8 Polmont
Agnes dau 6 Polmont
Margaret dau 1 Polmont
Thomas Hutchins Boarder 0 Lanarkshire


Dave