War Grave Commission

[Shelaghb]

Hi,

I have a Grandfather who died in 1915 at Gallipoli.

Would anyone know if the War Grave Commission would have his date of birth. They have his death details recorded, but it's his dob I am after as I have no way of moving forward without it.

Thanks

Shelagh

 

[Simon7]

What's his name

 

[gortonboy]

The CWGC records sometimes show a soldiers age,,,and sometimes they don't,,i suspect then that they sometimes knew a soldiers age,,,and other times they did not. If you post his name,,,and the nature of your problem,,,maybe we can help ?

 

[Shelaghb]

Hi Gortonboy/Simon,

His name is William Burgess born around 1888. The CWGC have his parents as showing as John and Ann, of Cambridge Place Salford. However, on his marriage certificate he has put his father as George.

On census forms there is a John and Ann Burgess living in Cambridge Place, with a daughter named Ada, and on William's marriage cert there is a witness named Ada Burgess - so I am assuming I have the right family.

Last night I did found this on the Parish records for Salford:

Baptism: 3 Jun 1888 St Bartholomew, Salford, Lancs.
William Burgess - [Child] of John Burgess & Ann
Born: 12 May
Abode: 1 Wright St.
Occupation: Carter
Baptised by: G.F. Holme
Register: Baptisms 1886 - 1889, Page 156, Entry 1705
Source: LDS Film 1786461

This was followed by one for Ada Burgess and the dob suggest its the same Ada.


I would be grateful if either of you could confirm this for me.

Shelagh

 

[davelambert271]

Maybe we will find his name was John George or vice versa

this record gives the address where John lived

 

[Shelaghb]

Thanks so much for that Dave, that is William. I haven't seen that before.

I had heard it said that he was killed by a sniper, but didn't know where it had come from.

Like you say, his father was probably George John or John George.

I feel sure the record I found last night in the Salford parish records is my William.

If I send for the birth cert of the parish record, will it show the mothers maiden name. It did on my Grandma's, but I dont know if that was because she was the one who had registered the birth.

Thanks again for all your help Dave

Shelagh

 

[davelambert271]

1901 - 17 Cambridge Place, Salford

John Burgess Head Married Male 40 1861 Street Sweeper Manchester,
Ann Burgess Wife Married Female 38 1863 - Manchester, Lancashire
William Burgess Son - Male 12 1889 Railway Carters Nipper Salford,
Thomas Burgess Son - Male 11 1890 - Salford, Lancashire
Ada Burgess Daughter - Female 9 1892 - Salford, Lancashire
Alice Burgess Daughter - Female 7 1894 - Salford, Lancashire
Gertrude Burgess Daughter - Female 3 1898 - Salford, Lancashire
Joseph Burgess Son - Male 2 1899 - Salford, Lancashire
John Burgess Son - Male 0 1901 - Salford, Lancashire



Marriages Dec 1887 (2nd mge)

BURGESS John Salford 8d 83
Hallows Edward Salford 8d 83
McWILLIAMS Ann Salford 8d 83
Shelmerdine Margaret Salford 8d 83

 

[davelambert271]

Deaths Mar 1884
Burgess Mary Ann 20 Salford 8d 84

Mary was 17 when she married John (21) in 1881 (family search marriages) (1st mge)

 

[davelambert271]

I believe this could be William 1828. his occupation Ostler or horse keeper/stableman.
1871 - RG10-4038-29-51


1871 England Census

William Burgen

Ecclesiastical parish:
St Matthew

County/Island:
Lancashire

Country:
England

Registration district:
Manchester

Sub-registration district:
Deansgate

ED, institution, or vessel:
15

Household schedule number:
257

Piece:
4038

Folio:
28

Page Number:
50

William Burgen 43 Kingsway, Ostler
Hannah Burgen 41 Baguley
Frederick W Kinch 8 son - not part of this family, see original
Nancy Bayers 20 Manchester, Ostler
William Bayers 16 Manchester
John Bayers 10 Manchester
Samuel Bayers 8 Manchester
Alice Bayers 8 Months Manchester


and 1881 - RG11-3990-22-37


1881 England Census

William Burgess

Civil Parish:
Manchester

County/Island:
Lancashire

Country:
England

Street address:
17 Woollam Place

Occupation:
Hostler (Inn)

Registration district:
Manchester

Sub-registration district:
Deansgate

Piece:
3990

Folio:
22

Page Number:
37

William Burgess 53
Hannah Burgess 51
John Burgess 20
Samuel Burgess 18
Alice Burgess 10
Isaac Burgess 6
Jas. Mather 3
Richard Mather 29


(on 1871 there is a Frederick W Kinch recorded as a son. this is an error as he should be recorded with the previous family)

 

[davelambert271]

1861 England Census

William Burgess

Where born:
Ringway, Cheshire, England

Civil Parish:
Manchester

Ecclesiastical parish:
St Matthew

County/Island:
Lancashire

Country:
England

Registration district:
Manchester

Sub-registration district:
Deansgate

Piece:
2940

Folio:
128

Page Number:
71

William Burgess 34 Ringway Carter
Hannah Burgess 31 Baguley
Mary Burgess 10 Baguley
William Burgess 3 Manchester
John Burgess 10/12 Manchester
John Burgess 19 brother Ringway Carter
James Mackner 31 Lodger
Thomas Heggie 26 Lodger

 

[davelambert271]

I think this is William

1841 England Census

William Burgess

Civil Parish:
Bowden

Hundred:
Bucklow

County/Island:
Cheshire

Street address: Hale

Registration district:
Altrincham

Piece:
91

Book:
23

Folio:
7

Page Number:
8

George Burgess 40 Farmer
Mary Burgess 40
William Burgess 14
Mary Burgess 11
Ellen Burgess 8
Isaac Burgess 5
George Burgess 3
Ann Burgess 1
Isaac Burgess 45 Ag lab
Martha Burgess 15 f.s

this is 1851 for George, John is aged 9 and William is not with them which ties in with other census returns. It also introduces the name George into the family
George Burgess 47
Mary Burgess 49
George Burgess 12
Ann Burgess 11
John Burgess 9
Emma Burgess 1
Anne Hodgson 2


possible marriage

Name: William Burgess
Spouse's Name: Mary Shaw
Event Date: 1849
Event Place: St. Paul'S, Macclesfield, Chester, England
Father's Name: George Burgess
Spouse's Father's Name: William Shaw

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M86604-9 , System Origin: England-VR , GS Film number: 1656449 , Reference ID: 2:3FT683D

 

[Shelaghb]

Can't thank you enough Dave.

I did see the 'Ringway' one but was unsure at that point. You have really helped get me underway now. I will sit and digest it all and list in order and then carry on from there.

I owe you one Dave - thank you again

Shelagh