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Was there (is there) a Judge Passage in Cambridge UK

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Census 1851 Folio 29 Parish of Holy Trinity, Cambridge, Cambridge. PRO HO107/1760

After Abbey Street records, there are several for what appears to be Judge Passage - at first glance it looks like Judy Pupage, but I notice there are other 'passages' in Cambridge.

My interest for this is that at 107 Judge Passage, Sarah Ann POOLEY, 28, Glove Maker of Ilford, had as a Lodger, a Richard CLARKE, 19, Farm Labourer, of Fulbourn, Cambshire. I want to know more about this lodger.

But first, is there a Judge Passage?

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I can find a Judge Passage, Holy Trinity, Cambridge in 1851 but not in any other Census for Cambridge, unless it has been wrongly transcribed and I've missed it
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Hi colin,

I keep looking at the writing the first word very well might be judge or judy put the second word does not look like passage to me at all, maybe your pupage or pupdy, papage, but no matter how i look at all five of them not one looks to be passage to me. :'( and if it is he/she could not write ss at all. joyce
 
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Thank you, Emeltee and Joyce!

I agree it is difficult to discern. I am fairly sure it is not 'Elephant Ears Row', but other than that ... :)

The fact that it apparently does not appear in any other census record suggests I have completely bungled the name, and the later census takers/transcribers got it right (and could write legibly). Why didn't they all use laptops??

I was wanting to check out the POOLEY and CLARKE at that place - if I knew what the place was...

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Hi MC,
Have looked at the 1851 Description of emuneration district. And have plotted most of the roads and streets mentioned, ie Abbey St. Willow Walk, East Road, Occupation Road and there is a reference to 'The Jolly Ragman' which I assume was a pub.

Judds lapace????? could have been anything, but it definately looks like Judds.
This is niggling me to distraction.

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Hi Steve:

Don't get too 'niggled'. I need you to concentrate. ;-)

I've had a good look around, too, and see Passages (eg St Mary's) which made me wonder if this was maybe Judes or St Judes Passage at that time. I also see that Judd was a surname around there - Judd Place ... etc. I cannot find a present reference to the Jolly Ragman (which could be where all the transcribing happened I suspect.)

Onwards and Upwards!

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Hi Colin,

I went back and looked at it again today, there is actually seven of them in a roll, in between abbey and occupation row, but now i also do not think that what looks like judge is that either. judge has dge in it just like cambridge and if you look at every one of his cambridge the dge looks kinda like dfe but they all have that loop from the top of the line of the d connecting to the circle part of the g. that is the writers hand writing style and since we know that cambridge is cambridge, then what looks like dge in the first word of the address can not be dge since it does not match:( his hand writing charactorists (sorry worlds worst speller:'( ) which shows in all his cambridge writings. I am sorry but am I even making sense to you, I know what I am trying to say but I don't think I am putting it in the correct words.:'( Joyce
 

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Hi Steve:

Don't get too 'niggled'. I need you to concentrate. ;-)

I've had a good look around, too, and see Passages (eg St Mary's) which made me wonder if this was maybe Judes or St Judes Passage at that time. I also see that Judd was a surname around there - Judd Place ... etc. I cannot find a present reference to the Jolly Ragman (which could be where all the transcribing happened I suspect.)

Onwards and Upwards!

Cheers,

Colin
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If you go to page 1 of the census it describes what parts/roads have to be enumerated. Gives details of the streets etc. and locations, but the writing has to be looked at very carefully. It is definitely JUDDS ******?

Have a look, you may see something more.

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Hi Colin,

I went back and looked at it again today, there is actually seven of them in a roll, in between abbey and occupation row, but now i also do not think that what looks like judge is that either. judge has dge in it just like cambridge and if you look at every one of his cambridge the dge looks kinda like dfe but they all have that loop from the top of the line of the d connecting to the circle part of the g. that is the writers hand writing style and since we know that cambridge is cambridge, then what looks like dge in the first word of the address can not be dge since it does not match:( his hand writing charactorists (sorry worlds worst speller:'( ) which shows in all his cambridge writings. I am sorry but am I even making sense to you, I know what I am trying to say but I don't think I am putting it in the correct words.:'( Joyce

Hi Joyce,
Do you want to borrow my spellchecker, I use it alllllllll the tyme.:biggrin:

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Nice work, Joyce.
I totally understand what you are getting at ... and I'm with you on the Judd. Now what? I guess we can see if Judd is mentioned in later years, at least. (I don't have easy access to later census though ... it will take some time.)

And Steve ... "Judds not, lest thy be Judd'ed" ... :)

Cheers, all.

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Hi Steve:

Don't get too 'niggled'. I need you to concentrate. ;-)

I've had a good look around, too, and see Passages (eg St Mary's) which made me wonder if this was maybe Judes or St Judes Passage at that time. I also see that Judd was a surname around there - Judd Place ... etc. I cannot find a present reference to the Jolly Ragman (which could be where all the transcribing happened I suspect.)

Onwards and Upwards!

Cheers,

Colin
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Sorry, I haven't made myself clear, could Judds have been an Inn or a Hostelry as opposed to a person or street/lane/passage.
I also assumed that the Jolly Ragman could be a pub, but was used as a reference marker for the enumerator.
Did you have a look at page 1 on the 1851 census, which describes the district that is covered.
I think I'm losing the 'plot'.:D

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A possibilty for Sarah Ann Pooley in 1861. Her birthplace is down as Milford, cant find a Milford in Essex, so could it be Ilford.


Civil parish Peterborough St John the Baptist
RD Peterborough
Sub Rd Peterborough
County Northamptonshire

Bull Tap Yard

Sarah Pooley head u/m age 36 occ dressmaker born (M)ilford, Essex
 
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Judge Passage is next to Occupation Road in 1851, looking at a present day map
Judge Passage insnt showing whether because there is a great big road and roundabout, could be tucked away, probaly an old OS map will show where it is.

http://www.cam.ac.uk/map/v4/drawmap.cgi?mp=main;xx=2691;yy=610;mt=a;ma=270;tl=Abbey Street
Hi Julie,

Would you be able to find a map from the 1850's time frame, this one has left my head spinning but would like to put to rest. :confused: Joyce
 
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Wow, Julie. You found it.

Thanks for the great replies, everyone. So, Judge/Judd Passage exists(ed) - which was the original question, BTW. :)

Now Joyce has raised an interesting question regarding the 'gathering' of unmarrieds. I'll leave that to detectives far smarter than me ...

Now I must check out this POOLEY lady to see if I can get closer to 'my' Richard CLARKE. Is this Richard 'my' man. The ages 1841 (at North Witchford) and 1851 are close enough. Was POOLEY some relative, or simply a landlady. For one, I must see if there were any CLARKE or HANCOCK marriages to any POOLEY in the region.

Cheers,

Colin
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