WESTWATER daughters - Phyllis and Elizabeth

[DaveHam9]

John Westwater b. Sep 1758
Christening Date: 10 Sep 1758 Torryburn, Fife
William Westwater & Mary Primrose
Batch: C114584

OPR 458 WESTWATER John Torryburn -- bu 1 Jan 1798

Elizabeth Sands b. 30 Mar 1760
Christening Date: 2 Apr 1760 Torryburn, Fife
James Sands & Phyllis Anderson
Batch: C114584

OPR 458 Sands Elizabeth WESTW Torryburn -- bu 20 Jun 1787

John WESTWATER & Elizabeth SANDS
3 Jan 1783 Torryburn, Fife
Batch: M114586

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Phyllis Westwater b. 17 Dec 1783
Christening Date: 28 Dec 1783 Torryburn, Fife
John Westwater & Elisabeth Sands
Batch: C114585

Elizabeth Westwater b. 15 Jun 1787
Christening Date: 24 Jun 1787 Torryburn, Fife

Any sign of these two ? Also, I presume I'm missing some children. Eldest daughter = mother's mother but Elizabeth not father's mother. Probably missing a 'Mary' then.

Thanks,

Dave

 

[Ellie7]

Don't see any Phyllis Westwater's being born to other parents,but Phyllis.
Phyllis Sands
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 05 Jan 1794
Christening Place: TORRYBURN,FIFE,SCOTLAND
Birth Date: 26 Dec 1793
Father's Name: William Sands
Mother's Name: Christian Balfour

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11458-5 , System Origin: Scotland-ODM , GS Film number: 1040182


Phyllis Sands
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 20 Mar 1806
Christening Place: TORRYBURN,FIFE,SCOTLAND
Birth Date: 12 Mar 1806
Father's Name: James Sands
Mother's Name: Elisabeth Keltie

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11458-5 , System Origin: Scotland-ODM , GS Film number: 1040182

James Sands
Spouse's Name: Phillis Anderson
Event Date: 05 Feb 1757
Event Place: Torryburn,Fife,Scotland

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M11458-6 , System Origin: Scotland-ODM , GS Film number: 1040182

Also not finding any more issue of John and Elizabeth. Nor am I finding marriages for them.

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Ellie.

No. I only found those two but gap and naming pattern would suggest a daughter Mary.


Seems they married by proclamation in Culross and in Torryburn.

5 Feb 1757 Culross 343/3 from fiche I viewed in Dunfermline Library.

And this one I got from ScotlandsPeople:

Torryburn 1757 Feb 5 "James Sands in the Parish of Culross and Phillis Anderson in this parish gave up their names to be proclaimed in order to marriage."


This one is accounted for but I have no info on what happened to the one born 1806.

OPR 458 Sands Phillis - Torryburn - bu 9 Apr 1796

Dave

 

[Ellie7]

Naming pattern never really used till c1750

Ellie

 

[DaveHam9]

They are sometimes a help. But I have some families where the names of the children all fit but they are way out of expected order.

Dead end with these two daughters.

Dave

 

[Ellie7]

Margt. Sands
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 21 Aug 1757
Christening Place: CULROSS,PERTH,SCOTLAND
Birth Date: 14 Aug 1757
Father's Name: James Sands
Mother's Name: Phyllis Anderson

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11343-4 , System Origin: Scotland-ODM , GS Film number: 1040077

Not finding a birth for Phyllis Anderson in Culross

 

[Ellie7]

James Sands
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 17 Nov 1728
Christening Place: CULROSS,PERTH,SCOTLAND
Birth Date: 14 Nov 1728
Father's Name: William Sands
Mother's Name: Mary Bald

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11343-4 , System Origin: Scotland-ODM , GS Film number: 1040077

Ellie

 

[Ellie7]

Mary Bald
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 16 Oct 1705
Christening Place: CULROSS,PERTH,SCOTLAND
Birth Date: 01 Oct 1705
Father's Name: James Bald
Mother's Name: Mary Broun

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11343-4 , System Origin: Scotland-ODM , GS Film number: 1040077

 

[Ellie7]

Alexander Monteath
Spouse's Name: Margaret Sands
Event Date: 01 Jan 1784
Event Place: Torryburn,Fife,Scotland

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M11458-6 , System Origin: Scotland-ODM , GS Film number: 1040182

 

[Ellie7]

Phillis Monteath
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 05 Jun 1785
Christening Place: TORRYBURN,FIFE,SCOTLAND
Birth Date: 30 May 1785
Father's Name: Alexander Monteath
Mother's Name: Margaret Sands

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11458-5 , System Origin: Scotland-ODM , GS Film number: 1040182

William Monteath
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 30 Sep 1787
Christening Place: TORRYBURN,FIFE,SCOTLAND
Birth Date: 23 Sep 1787
Father's Name: Alexander Monteath
Mother's Name: Margaret Sands

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11458-5 , System Origin: Scotland-ODM , GS Film number: 1040182

Alexander Monteith
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 08 Aug 1790
Christening Place: TORRYBURN,FIFE,SCOTLAND
Birth Date: 24 Jul 1790
Father's Name: Alexander Monteith
Mother's Name: Margaret Sand

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11458-5 , System Origin: Scotland-ODM , GS Film number: 1040182

 

[DaveHam9]

James Sands
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 17 Nov 1728
Christening Place: CULROSS,PERTH,SCOTLAND
Birth Date: 14 Nov 1728
Father's Name: William Sands
Mother's Name: Mary Bald

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11343-4 , System Origin: Scotland-ODM , GS Film number: 1040077

Ellie

Thanks Ellie.

That's an interesting one given this in my tree:

Christian BALFOUR b. 10 Aug 1754 Torryburn, Fife
James BALFOUR & Margaret BALD
Batch: C114584
8th of 11


OPR 458 Sands Christian BALF: Torryburn - bu 6 Nov 1814 wi Wm Sands

--

Margaret Bauld
birth: 20 Apr 1718
christening: 27 Apr 1718 Culross, Perth
Robert Bauld & Elizabeth Smitton

or

Margaret Bald
birth: 19 Nov 1720
christening: 30 Nov 1720 Dunfermline, Fife
Robert Bald & Christian Harrower

 

[DaveHam9]

I have no birth/baptism or death/burial for Phyllis Anderson.

I had this in my tree:

possible
Alexander MONTEATH
1 Jan 1784 Torryburn, Fife
Batch: M114586


but 2x Margaret born in Dunfermline in 1754 and 1761.