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WILESMITH family

DaveHam9

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Hello,

George & Mary WILESMITH / WILDSMITH

Children born at Wingate, Durham

John b. 1844
Margaret b. 1846
Robert b. 1848

James b. 1850 ?? yes possibly SOUTH AUSTRALIA

Family arrived in Australia 1848 - 1850 ??? Not found in 1851 census.


I've just gone through every vessel on the ShipsList for arrival in SA for the above years and found nothing.

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Yes, small world. I've been to Durham but not to Wingate.

This family is out on a limb of my tree.

Just one of many I can't yet find in shipping records.
 

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No passenger list yet but found these.... which you most likely have seen already :biggrin:

South Australian Register (Adelaide, SA : 1839 - 1900)
Wednesday 15 September 1852

UNCLAIMED LETTERS.— AUGUST 31, 1852.
Note.— Parties applying at the Post Office for advertised letters are requested to state particularly the date of the list in which they may have observed the name, because such reference will materially facilitate delivery.

Mr. Whitty, John Whyte, Thomas Wiggins, George Wilesmith. Thomas Wilkes, W. B. Wilkinson, Robert and etc etc..

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Gold Diggers from South Australia 1852 to 1853
WILESMITH G consigned 6 oz 5 dwt of gold to WILESMITH M on Nov 1852. Note: unclaimed.
 

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I wonder why he didnt claim his gold :confused:

Unclaimed Gold

During 1852-53 the SA Government Gazettes published the names of those who had sent gold to South Australia but had lost their receipts. Some men were robbed or mislaid their receipts, others may have died. Mark Sullivan, master mariner, was robbed in the streets of Melbourne on 28 August of a gold escort deposit receipt for a parcel of gold containing 108 oz. Arthur Hiscock died on passage from Melbourne on board Candahar - his receipt was for 27 oz. By October 1853 further lists noted those who had failed to collect their gold. After due notice these uncollected parcels of gold were melted into ingots. These were sold after two years and the proceeds, less rent and escort dues, were paid into Treasury from where the value could be claimed. No gold actually remained in the Treasury. [These names, together with those of the consignors and consignees of the first three gold escorts, and some pre-escort depositors are included in the database "SA Gold Diggers"].

Thirty years later there remained eight men who had failed to collect their gold worth a total of £239/16/11:
Robert Hoad, £32/2/-
James Moore, £43/10/9
John Ware, £47/19/9
Thomas Cornelius, £45/2/-
Mathew Lennon, £22/16/4
George Wilesmith, £21/18/4
J J Thomas, £4/13/6
Charles Clinton, £21/14/3

These names were noted in a Parliamentary Paper in 1883 which also recorded the amount and value of gold brought overland by the escorts. "The value of the 328,509 ozs 19 dwts of gold, at £3 11s per oz, would be £1,166,210 6s 6d." It has been estimated that this was 65% of the total Victorian gold brought into South Australia. Obviously other gold diggers carried their gold with them in saddlebags or money belts as they returned home. After the first escort a charge of 1/4 per ounce was made and these escort fees brought the government over £19,400.
 

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Thanks Gibbo.

Certainly looks as though the family spent some time in South Australia. They may have moved there after spending a few years in Victoria. I have nothing more than that tree to on - about July 1850.

Interesting about the gold. Guess you can't claim it if you have no receipt.
 

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Julie found this:

John Wilesmith born 1844 is the son of George and Mary. But there is a photo on the NSW gaol description and entrance books. This chap was born England 1844, the goal was Goulburn, date of administration/photograph 25 Oct 1900. Arrived in colony 1858 ship unknown.
Bit hard to do when the gold was sent in 1852. Might be coincidence the John in Goulburn was born in 1844. Unless John arrived after the rest of the family - but he'd have been 14.
 
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Julie found this:



Bit hard to do when the gold was sent in 1852. Might be coincidence the John in Goulburn was born in 1844. Unless John arrived after the rest of the family - but he'd have been 14.

The Sydney Morning Herald (NSW : 1842 - 1954)
Thursday 11 October 1900

The Circuit Court was concluded yesterday. John Wilesmith, for sending a threatening letter to his son, was found guilty, and was sentenced to six months' gaol.
 

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Deaths for a John in NSW 1850-1950

18763/1923 WILESMITH JOHN H G - GEORGE MARY KEMPSEY
8546/1940 WILESMITH JOHN HENRY GEORGE - JOHN ELIZA WAGGA WAGGA
3766/1941 WILESMITH JOHN - RAY KENNETH KATHLEEN MAY TUMBARUMBA

Marriages

1860/1869 WILESMITH JOHN - FROST ELIZA BERRIMA **
1239/1899 WILESMITH JOHN H G - BELLING LOUISA C JUNEE

** more likely to have connection to Goulburn than the Junee one. If born 1844 would be about right age. The 1940 one looks like a son.

So where is the death of the one who was in gaol?

No births in NSW for George & Mary and no births in NSW for Ray & Kathleen.

Births in NSW 1870-1892 for John & Eliza.
 
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So did the John born 1844 in post #1 have two middle names H G? Not in the reg:

Births Mar 1845
Wilesmith John Easington 24 108

The only one born in England 1842-1847, but 11x John WILDSMITH.

Births
6884/1870 WILESMITH JOHN HENRY - JOHN ELIZA BERRIMA
11638/1883 WILESMITH JOHN HERBERT G - JAMES ANNIE HAY
 
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I'm killing time but not proving anything. :2fun:

We can't say they all stayed in Victoria and South Australia.

George and Mary both died near Berrima:

Deaths
2959/1863 WILESMITH MARY ROBERT G DIED BERRIMA BERRIMA
3004/1869 WILESMITH GEORGE GEORGE MARY BERRIMA

And I think the 1869 marriage in Berrima is that of son John. So good chance he was the one in gaol. He had enough children to be angry with one of them:

6884/1870 WILESMITH JOHN HENRY JOHN ELIZA BERRIMA
10874/1872 WILESMITH CHARLES ALBERT JOHN ELIZA GUNDAGAI
11615/1873 WILESMITH JAMES MATTHEW JOHN ELIZA GUNDAGAI
12345/1875 WILESMITH ADA L JOHN ELIZA GUNDAGAI
13701/1878 WILESMITH ANNIE ELIZABETH JOHN ELIZA GUNDAGAI
14918/1879 WILESMITH MARGARET ISABEL JOHN ELIZA COOTAMUNDRA
16612/1881 WILESMITH EDWARD HERBERT JOHN ELIZA COOTAMUNDRA
29179/1888 WILESMITH ERNEST W JOHN H G ELIZA WAGGA WAGGA
28353/1889 WILESMITH MARY A JOHN H G ELIZA JUNEE
17513/1891 WILESMITH FRANCES R JOHN ELIZA JUNEE
17974/1892 WILESMITH ELIZA JOHN H G ELIZA JUNEE

Death - right initials and right parents but way up north coast of NSW

18763/1923 WILESMITH JOHN H G - GEORGE MARY KEMPSEY

So if he did arrive 1858 then parents must have arrived earlier. Parents into Vic. or SA and John into NSW.
 
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I'm killing time but not proving anything. :2fun:

We can't say they all stayed in Victoria and South Australia.

George and Mary both died near Berrima:

Deaths
2959/1863 WILESMITH MARY ROBERT G DIED BERRIMA BERRIMA
3004/1869 WILESMITH GEORGE GEORGE MARY BERRIMA

And I think the 1869 marriage in Berrima is that of son John. So good chance he was the one in gaol.

Oh i know that feeling :2fun::2fun: Got a bit sidetracked to i did, with the french fella having 101 kids :rolleyes::2fun::2fun:
 

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You should check out the gaol photo.

WILESMITH John 1844 England Goulburn 25/10/1900 1435 113 NRS2232 [3/5973] 5120 - 2232_a006_a00603_5973000113r

Oh, now you can't see the photo ???
 

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Father: John Henry George WILESMITH
Birth/Chris: ... 1844 at ...
Death/Burial: ... 1923 at ...

Mother: Eliza FROST
Birth/Chris: ... 1849 at ...
Death/Burial: ... 1929 at ...

Married: ... 1869 at ...

John Henry George WILESMITH

Birth: 25 DEC 1844 Wingate, Durham, England

Death: 08 DEC 1923 Kempsey, New South Wales

Father: George WILESMITH
Mother: Mary GRAHAM



Robert WILESMITH

Birth: 1848 Wingate, Durham, England
Death: 14 APR 1914 Ariah Park, New South Wales
 
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Assisted to Victoria:

WILDSMITH M A 35 MAR 1853 BRITISH EMPIRE 10 66

Clever
Now Unassisted:

WILDSMITH MARY 35 MAR 1853 BRITISH EMPIRE B 031 002
 

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VIC archives
Index to Outward Passengers to Interstate, UK, NZ and Foreign Ports 1852-1915

Possibly :confused:
WILESMITH JNO age 35 ship WONGA WONGA III month SEP year 1862 destination SYDNEY
WILESMITH GEORGE age36 ship WONGA WONGA III month SEP year 1862 destination SYDNEY
 

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