William and Elizabeth RUDDLE

[DaveHam9]

NSW Deaths
2669/1879 RUDDLE WILLIAM - WILLIAM - MARY - GLEBE
9969/1906 RUDDLE ELIZABETH 75 YRS PADDINGTON PADDINGTON

Assuming they married in England before 1843 and that a daughter Mary Ann was born abt 1843 I'd like a look up please for them in 1851 possibly Devon.

The name has many variations: RUDEL, RUDDEL, RUDLE

Arrival in Australia before 1863 not yet found.

Thanks,

Dave

 

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1851 possible...
Civil Parish: Exeter St Paul
County: Devon
RD: Exeter
Sub-RD: St David
ED: 2; Piece: 1869; Folio: 224; Page: 49

William Ruddel 28 [b. Carham, Wiltshire. Excavator]
Eliza Ruddel 25 [b. Cullompton, Devon]
Mary A Ruddel 5 [b. Exeter, St Paul's]
Hermas Ruddel 12 Mo [do]

There is a possible arrival, but William Sr's father doesn't match, depends who the informant was, also no Eliza Jr.

New South Wales, Australia, Assisted Immigrant Passenger Lists, 1828-1896
William Ruddel
Birth Year: abt 1824
Age: 33
Arrival Date: 27 Jul 1857
Vessel Name: Tartar
Origin Location: Dunsford, Devon, England [About 10 miles W of Exeter]

Trying to decipher the image..

Geoff

 

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Tartar image...

William Ruddel 33, b. Chippenham, Wilts. Possibly Navvie. Parents Thomas & Mary, Father dead.
ELiza 32, b. Collumpton. Possibly Silk spinner. Parents John & Maria.
Margaret 12, Thomas 8, Charles 4, Maria 2 and William inf.
Rel: C/E

Geoff

 

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Possible offspring birth reg.

Mary Ann Ruddel
Q2 1846
RD: Exeter
Vol: 10, Page: 105

Thomas Ruddel [Possibly Hermas in the census]
Q1 1850
RD: Exeter
Vol: 10, Page: 105

Charles Ruddel
Q4 1852
RD: Tiverton
Vol: 5b, Page: 406

Maria Ruddel
Q4 1854
RD: Tiverton
Vol: 5b, Page: 365

Can't see William Jr. yet, the arrival says Collumpton

I wonder if Margaret is Mary Ann ?

Geoff

 

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This may be William Sr's bap. matches parents in the arrival.

William Ruddle
Date: 18 Nov 1827
Baptism Place: Corsham, Wiltshire, England
Father: Thomas Ruddle
Mother: Mary Ruddle
FHL Film Number: 1279386
Reference ID: item 16

Geoff

 

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Possible marriage..

Q3 1844
CUNNINGHAM Caroline
RUDDLE William
SOUTHARD George
WARE Eliza
Exeter
10 152

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Geoff.

I don't know yet that the William and Elizabeth in post #1 are husband and wife or that they are the parents of a Mary Ann or that they arrived in Australia from England.

I'm trying to solve the Mary Ann puzzle by not searching directly for her. I'd better mention what I know for fact and what is supposed about her.

NSW Marriage 349/1863 POWELL BURTON - RUDDLE MARY ANN - SYDNEY

Can't find a notice in TROVE.

NSW Death 3639/1885 POWELL BERTRAM - THOMAS - BETSY - PETERSHAM

The Sydney Morning Herald - Thursday 14 May 1885 p.14
Funerals.
... BURTON POWELL, to move from his late residence, Bishop-street, St. Peters, to St. Peter's Cemetery, at 4 o'clock p.m., May 14.

11 children born between 1864 and 1884. The majority of the birth reg have mother's name as Annie. It's very likely 'Annie' remarried:

NSW Marriage 2534/1885 WRIGHT THOMAS - POWELL ANNIE - PETERSHAM

Several trees have Mary Ann born abt 1843 Devon.

Annie's death is still to be sorted out.

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

This looks to be the right one but only fits if baptised at age 3.

William Ruddle c. 18 Nov 1827 Corsham, Wiltshire
Thomas Ruddle & Mary

1841
HO107 Piece 1171 Book/Folio 13/23 Page 11
Civil Parish: Corsham
Hundred: Chippenham
County: Wiltshire
Registration District: Chippenham
Sub-RD: Corsham
ED: 19
Address:
Lucy Harris 50
Maryann 15
Jane 5 Wiltshire
Page 12
Mary Ruddle 45 Y
...
[several other labourers nbic]
William Ruddle 20 ? Lab N ?
[several other labourers bic]


The William in the 'Tartar' shipping record is 33 in 1857 - Thomas & Mary Father dead Mother at Corsham Wilts

The census fits to be the right Mary but perhaps not the right William.

 

[DaveHam9]

Is this the right one?

Name William Ruddle
Event Type Census
Event Date 1841
Gender Male
Age 15
Birthplace Wiltshire
Schedule Type Household
Registration District Melksham
Sub-District Trowbridge
Parish Trowbridge
County Wiltshire


William Ruddle
Christening Date 20 May 1821
Christening Place CHIPPENHAM,WILTSHIRE
Father's Name John Ruddle
Mother's Name Sarah

No relationship in 1841 census and William is several lines below Mary.

 

[DaveHam9]

Too many x William born Chippenham and not enough baptism records for them.

1871
Name William Ruddle
Event Place Bermondsey, London, Surrey
Enumeration District 21
Gender Male
Age 49
Marital Status Married
Occupation Railway Guard
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Birth Year (Estimated) 1822
Birthplace Chippenham, Wiltshire


1881
RG11 Piece 2033 Folio 43 Page 36
Name William Ruddle
Birthplace Chippenham, Wiltshire, England
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Marital Status Married
Occupation Mason
Address Ashs Hamlet North Side
Event Place Chippenham, Wiltshire, England
William Ruddle Head M 54 Chippenham, Wiltshire
Sarah Ruddle Wife F 55 Chippenham, Wiltshire
James Ruddle Son M 19 Chippenham, Wiltshire

 

[DaveHam9]

Parents of this one possibly James & Mary so ruled out:

Name William Ruddle
Event Type Census
Event Date 1841
Gender Male
Age 15
Birthplace Wiltshire
Schedule Type Household
Registration District Melksham
Sub-District Trowbridge
Parish Trowbridge
County Wiltshire


I have no household for this one:

1851
Name William Ruddle
Age 22
Gender M
Birthplace Chippenham, Wiltshire
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Schedule Type Household

 

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I have no household for this one:

1851
Name William Ruddle
Age 22
Gender M
Birthplace Chippenham, Wiltshire
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Schedule Type Household

Still trying to get me head around this one again

In the meantime this is the rest of that 1851..

Ref: ED: 3e; Piece: 1836; Folio: 554; Page: 6
Ann Ruddle 54
William Ruddle 22 son [Mason]
George Ruddle 17 son [do]
[All b. Chippenham]

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Geoff.

That one is ruled out.

The William aged 20 a labourer not born Wiltshire does not fit either.

It's not a difficult one. :biggrin: Working from this looking for the right William and the right Mary. I have not found a connection to HARRIS yet.

Arrived 27 Jul 1857
William 33 Navvie ? Chipenham Wilts Thomas & Mary Father dead Mother at Corsham Wilts C.E. No Relations in Colony None Good None £1


He died in 1879 but no age at death or death notice yet and no burial record either at Rookwood found so far.

Dave

 

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He died in 1879 but no age at death or death notice yet and no burial record either at Rookwood found so far.

Just as well death not in Vic.

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Don't have Mary's maiden name or her marriage to Thomas.

I have the 1841 image and William is clearly marked n = nbic age= 20 occ= labr


The Sydney Morning Herald - Thursday 8 May 1879 p.12
Funerals.
THE FRIENDS of Mr. THOMAS RIDDLE are invited to attend the Funeral of his late beloved FATHER, William Riddle, to move from his late residence, Greek-street, Glebe, THIS (Thursday) AFTERNOON, at 2 o'clock, to Mortuary Station, thence to Necropolis. MELVILLE and SON, Undertakers, Newtown.

Rookwood but that's all I can tell.

 

[DaveHam9]

I might have a connection of my ANGEL family with a Thomas born Devon to this one:

Thomas Ruddle
Spouse's Name Mary Angel
Event Date 08 Feb 1816
Event Place Corsham, Wiltshire


Jane Ruddle
Christening Date 26 May 1817
Christening Place Corsham, Wiltshire
Father's Name Thomas Ruddle
Mother's Name Mary Ruddle

 

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I might have a connection of my ANGEL family with a Thomas born Devon to this one:

Thomas Ruddle
Spouse's Name Mary Angel
Event Date 08 Feb 1816
Event Place Corsham, Wiltshire,

Interesting, just found this..

William Ruddle
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 18 Nov 1827
Baptism Place: Corsham, Wiltshire, England
Father: Thomas Ruddle
Mother: Mary Ruddle
FHL Film Number: 1279386
Reference ID: item 16

Geoff

 

[horse]

Interesting, just found this..

William Ruddle
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 18 Nov 1827
Baptism Place: Corsham, Wiltshire, England
Father: Thomas Ruddle
Mother: Mary Ruddle
FHL Film Number: 1279386
Reference ID: item 16

Geoff

Silly me redf)

Gonna get some sleep, speak later :biggrin:

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Yes, have that one thanks. Fits if baptised at age 3 or 4.

Can't see any others between Jane and William.

Thanks Geoff.

I'm off too soon.

Dave

 

[Ellie7]

Rebeccah Ayre Ridler
Gender Female
Christening Date 29 Jul 1849
Christening Place BRISTOL, GLOUCESTER, ENGLAND
Birth Date 06 Apr 1842
Father's Name Robert Ridler
Mother's Name Susannah


Thomas Eyre Powell
Birth 1874 in Newtown, New South Wales Death 1935 in Bankstown, New South Wales