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William BLAKELY

DaveHam9

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Hello,

Here is a puzzle I've not been able to solve.

1881
RG11 Piece / Folio 3631 / 85 Page 43
Census Place Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Dwelling St Anne St 14 House 1 Court
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
John CAMBELL Head M Male 50 Scotland Moulder
Ellen CAMBELL Wife M Female 40 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Moulders Wife
Anne CAMBELL Daur U Female 16 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Scholar
Mary E. CAMBELL Daur U Female 10 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Scholar
Wm.Hy. BLAKELY Stepson M Male 24 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Iron Dresser
Rose Ann HARMER Lodger W Female 50 Liverpool, Lancashire, England No Occupation
It says stepson and if that is correct then was Ellen previously married to a BLAKELY?
NB: There are many variations of that name.

I can't find that marriage or the marriage of John to Ellen or even the birth of William.

If son-in-law (William is married) then I can't see his marriage to a CAMPBELL.

I wonder if Rose Ann is related somehow?

I also notice it says John was born in Scotland.

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hi Dave ,,there is what looks like the same family in the 1871 census

John Campbell b 1831 iron moulder b liverpool
Ellen Campbell b 1841 b liverpool
William Henry Campbell b 1857 b liverpool
Annie Campbell b 1866 b liverpool
Mary Ellen Campbell b 1870 b liverpool
Ann Carr lodger b 1831 b liverpool
 

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Hello GB,

Thanks for looking.

I thought it was already hard enough. :2fun:

It may or may not have anything to do with my BLACKLEY family but I'm looking because my gg grandfather Thomas BLACKLEY was a journeyman iron moulder born in Ireland abt 1830, married in Scotland and children born in Liverpool. :rolleyes: One being a son William born abt 1856 Liverpool who has not yet been found after 1871 census when he was a shop errand boy living in Toxteth Park.

4x William CAMPBELL born Liverpool but none with middle name Henry.

Can't find a baptism for William as CAMPBELL or BLACKLEY on Lancs OPC site.

Can't find baptisms for Annie or Mary.

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I've been thinking about this for several hours and my mind is a blank. :2fun:

What to make of that 1881 census with stepson. :rolleyes:
 

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The 1881 census has Ellen as been aged 40 and William as 24. If he is Ellen's son she would have only been around 16 when he was born.
Do you know Ellen's maiden name? Maybe she was single when she had him hence the name Blakely.
 

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Hello gibbo,

You are probably correct. Ellen's son.

No, I don't know Ellen's maiden name for sure. I can't be sure which marriage it is to John.

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Hello GB,

Thanks for that. I thinks it's ok now. Although the name and spelling even, BLACKLEY, and pob all fit it's not my William. His parents are Thomas an iron moulder and Janet nee NEIL. I was interested because of the iron moulder reference to check if it was my William somehow.

Looks as though we have accounted for these two:

Births Mar 1856
BRAKELEY William Liverpool 8b 7

Births Mar 1857
Blekley William Henry W Derby 8b 423

Of the four children born in Liverpool this is the first reg I've found:

Births Sep 1859
Blackley Isabella Liverpool 8b 50

The next:

Births Mar 1861
BLACKLEY Archibald Liverpool 8b 29

RD Liverpool - Sub-district St Martin - County Lancaster
No 263 Twenty Seventh January 1861 94 Hedley Street - Archibald - Boy - Thomas Blackley - Janet Blackley formerly Neil - Iron Moulder - Janet Blackley mother 94 Hedley Street Liverpool - Twentieth February 1861 - John Simpson Deputy Registrar

And the youngest but the baptism record has the name correct but the reg does not:

Births Mar 1862
BLAKELEY Jessie Liverpool 8b 79

name: Jessie Blackley
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 11 Dec 1862
baptism/christening place: Grove Street Chapel, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
birth date:
birthplace:
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: Thomas Blackley
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Jane Blackley
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: I02358-5
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1595425
reference number: item 15


That leads me to wonder if Thomas abt 1854 and William abt 1856 actually have a birth reg. Perhaps just a non-conformist baptism that can't be found. What is the Grove Street Chapel? Presbyterian? Wesleyan?

1858..Foundation stone of the Wesleyan Chapel Grove street laid by John FARNWORTH Esq June 2.

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Dave
 
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