William BYRNE

[DaveHam9]

Marriage V1840516 24B/1840 BYRNE WILLIAM - ALBURY CHARLOTTE - MY= CofE Camden; St John's; Oaks; Picton; Stonequarry

Page -
Marriages solemnized in the Parish of All Saints in the County of Camden in the Year 1840
No. 20
William Byrne of this Parish Bachelor Ticket of Leave
Charlotte Albury of this Parish Spinster Emigrant
married in this Chapel by Banns with consent of the Governor
Sixteenth day of September 1840 By me George Vidal Minister of Sutton Forest and Berrima
Parties: William signed and Charlotte by her mark
Witnesses: Charles King of Sutton Forest, Maria King of Sutton Forest

Found another convict and that marriage is all I have so far.

A son Nicholas born abt 1854 but can't see a birth/bap for him.

I have nothing on Charlotte.

Dave

 

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Albury family arrival

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DTCW-7CL?i=1&cc=1542665

Death of Charlotte's parents

NSW death
ALBURY JOHN 4633/1868 HENRY MARGARET A MANNING RIVER
ALBURRY ANN 6342/1860 ROBERT R ANN WINGHAM

 

[gibbo]

A son Nicholas born abt 1854 but can't see a birth/bap for him.

Cant find his birth reg. neither Dave.

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks gibbo.

Those deaths are way up on the north coast of NSW.

Death 3651/1935 BYRNE NICHOLAS WILLIAM CHARLOTTE GOULBURN

The Sydney Morning Herald - Sat 9 Mar 1935 p.14
DEATHS
BYRNE.-March 8, 1935, at District Hospital, Goulburn, Nicholas, grazier, Krawarree, beloved husband of Sarah Ann, aged 80.

Reg for dau
Birth 5212/1859 BYRNE MARY T WILLIAM CHARLOTTE BERRIMA

 

[DaveHam9]

Byrne Nicholas 24 Dec 1854 8 Mar 1935 80 son/William & Charlotte (Albury); b. Sutton Forest, NSW, Australia; h/Sarah Ann (Brown) Braidwood Old General NSW Ang H, 1b

http://austcemindex.com/inscription?id=15615810#images
Byrne (Brown) Sarah Ann 17 Apr 1948 86 dau/Samuel & Emily; b. Ballarat, VIC; w/Nicholas Braidwood Old General NSW Ang H, 1b


I don't fully trust all the details on these ACI records.

Says maiden name is Brown and born Ballarat.

If it is this one age is out and it's not Ballarat and it's not Emily. ??

Birth 1860 BROWN Sarah Ann Samuel Emma BLAKE BLAC, Vic. #19608 [Blackburn/Blackwood] ?

 

[DaveHam9]

Death BYRNE CHARLOTTE 9617/1891 JOHN UNKNOWN MOSS VALE * 25 Oct

Not in Ryerson - can't see a notice in Trove so far.

Death for William will be a bit harder to find.

Finding the right convict might be difficult.

No convict Application to Marry on NSW Records site for a William Byrne to Charlotte.

ToL by 16 Sep 1840. A few days before that for Application and approval to be granted.

??
BYRNE William Hive 1835 40/748 Ticket of Leave [4/4138; Reel 936] District: Berrima; Tried: Dublin City

BYRNE William Hive 1835 43/1455 2 Sep 1843 Certificate of Freedom [4/4385; Reel 1015] TL 40/746

 

[DaveHam9]

BLAC= Blackburn or Blackwood and not Ballarat.

Application to Marry ??

Anything more on the William per 'Hive' ?

Dave

 

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A son Nicholas born abt 1854 but can't see a birth/bap for him.

Public trees have this:
"Birth
28 December 1854 • Sutton Forest N.S.W. Australia
BDM of N.S.W. Rego No 13624/1854"

Not validated..

Geoff

 

[horse]

No convict Application to Marry on NSW Records site for a William Byrne to Charlotte.

NSW, Registers of Convicts' Applications to Marry, 1826-1851
William Byrne
Birth Year: Abt 1813
Spouse: Charlotte Oldbury
Request Status: Granted
Date of Permission/Refusal: 15 Jun 1840

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Geoff.

Entering 13624/1854 in NSW index returns nothing.

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Byrne Nicholas 24 Dec 1854 8 Mar 1935 80 son/William & Charlotte (Albury); b. Sutton Forest, NSW, Australia; h/Sarah Ann (Brown) Braidwood Old General NSW Ang H, 1b

Public trees have this:
"Birth
28 December 1854 • Sutton Forest N.S.W. Australia
BDM of N.S.W. Rego No 13624/1854"

Entering 13624/1854 in NSW index returns nothing.

I've scanned all baptisms in 1854 and there is no baptism for Nicholas that I can find. Further the records for All Saints Sutton Forest end at No 105 8 October 1854.

I scanned to the end of the Volume on film so I have no idea where the dates came from as I can't see an entry in the index or a record on film.

Dave

 

[horse]

Yeah, a bit odd, Dave.. Some offspring appear not to be registered or baptised..

There is this for the Mary T you found in post #4

Partial image for ID purposes. Interesting, Byrne

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Geoff.

I'll scan Vol 42 for Nicholas and Vol 44 for Mary.

Can you see the whole page Mary is on? There should be a number somewhere on the left that is not part of the date of baptism and not one of the register sequence No 578 etc, but a number probably between 1800 and 2178.

Dave

 

[horse]

Thanks Geoff.

I'll scan Vol 42 for Nicholas and Vol 44 for Mary.

Can you see the whole page Mary is on? There should be a number somewhere on the left that is not part of the date of baptism and not one of the register sequence No 578 etc, but a number probably between 1800 and 2178.

There's no number like that on the page, Dave.. I'll send you a copy in case I've overlooked it..

The register has 153 pages currently on page 6 in the register [page 8 on the film]..

Found this, partial copy for ID purposes.. Clearly surname variants with this one..

 

[horse]

The register has 153 pages currently on page 6 in the register [page 8 on the film]..

The register dates at Sutton Forest All Saints are from 27 Jan 1839 - 19 Oct 1879.

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Geoff.

That page is missing a number place there by the RG Department.


MURRAY EDWARD 1161/1854 V18541161 40 JAMES JANE

An image between the two I posted for 1854 with '1161' added at the left.

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Oh.
Ha and ...

Being an image of the Church register and not a film of the forms sent to the RG then of course it won't have the new sequence numbers added by RG.

So the baptism for Nicholas is probably in the register but missing from the on-line index for some reason.

Dave

 

[horse]

Oh.
Ha and ...

Being an image of the Church register and not a film of the forms sent to the RG then of course it won't have the new sequence numbers added by RG.

So the baptism for Nicholas is probably in the register but missing from the on-line index for some reason.

Yes, of course those I'm viewing are the church register images.. Also worth noting is; Christ Church Bong Bong, there are baps in there with abode = Sutton Forest and other areas of Camden..

That register has the following dates on page 2 and also includes a bap for Sarah Jane, not seen Nicholas in there [partial copies for ID purposes]..

 

[horse]

An image between the two I posted for 1854 with '1161' added at the left.

Yes, can see why the numbering is important!

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Geoff.

I'll look at Vol 44 this afternoon at the local library.

Dave