William CARTER

[DaveHam9]

From a tree and not verified:

William CARTER & Maria FINLEY ??
Married: 29 Mar 1864 Deniliquin, NSW ??

William James CARTER b. 1836 Prince Rock, Devon ?

CARTER William 23 'Wacousta' 1855 Sydney and/or Newcastle Reel 2137, [4/4791]; Reel 2472, [4/4957]

Reel 2472 - Arrived 2 Jan 1855
William 23 Blacksmith Plymouth Devonshire Joseph & Sarah living at Plymouth CE Both None Good None £5 A. I. Act.

Death 6031/1887 CARTER MARIA AGE 48 YEARS DIED HAY HAY * 1 Jan 1887

Death 11368/1917 CARTER WILLIAM - EDWIN - MARY A - COROWA

Edwin CARTER married Mary Ann STOCKDALE at East Stonehouse 18 April 1831.

A William James CARTER was baptised at East Stonehouse Church 20 Jul 1837 son of Edward [That's how the record reads] & Mary Ann of Plymouth. Father a quarry man.


If that is the right arrival for William age is out and he is not using his middle name and parents on shipping record are both wrong.

 

[DaveHam9]

Baptised at East Stonehouse:
13 Oct 1833 Edwin John CARTER son of Edwin & Mary Ann (Labourer)
5 Jul 1835 Ellen CARTER dau of Edwin & Mary Ann (Quarry man)
7 Feb 1839 Jane CARTER dau of Edwin & Mary Ann (Quarry Man)


If this is the family in 1841 where is William James?

1841
HO107 Piece 255 Book/Folio 10/20 Page 34
Civil Parish: Tiverton
County: Devon
Registration District: Tiverton and Dulverton
Sub-RD: Tiverton
Address:
Edwin Carter 25 Y
Mary Ann Carter 30
Jane Carter 6
Ellen Carter 7 Mo

Ellen is 4 years older than Jane ?? Correct in 1851 next post.

 

[DaveHam9]

The family in 1851. Has Edwin died and Mary Ann remarried?

1851
HO107 Piece 1878 Folio 36 Page 21
Civil Parish: Charles
County: Devon
Registration District: Plymouth
ED:
Address: Prince Rock, The Martyr, Plymouth
James Martin 39 Quarryman Modbury Devon
Mary Ann Martin 45 Penryn, Cornwall
Edwin C Carter 18 Stonemason
Ellen C 16
William 14
Jane 12
Mary 10
James Martin 5
All Carter children born Plymouth, Devon

 

[DaveHam9]

William Carter
Event Type Census
Event Date 1841
Event Place East Stonehouse, Devon, England
Residence Note Little Durnford Street
Gender Male
Age 4
Registration District East Stonehouse
Book Number 2
Parish East Stonehouse
County Devon
Page Number 2
Registration Number HO107
Piece/Folio 276/4
Affiliate Record Type Household

Thomas Bine M 70 Devon
Rebeca Bine F 70 Devon
...
...
Ann Carter F 65
William Carter M 4

 

[DaveHam9]

1851
HO107 Piece 1889 Folio 122 Page 13
Civil Parish: Tiverton
County: Devon
Registration District: Tiverton
Address: Gold street
Edward Carter Head wid 38 Master cordwainer Tiverton
Jane Carter dau 16 Tiverton
Ellen Carter dau 10 Tiverton


Which is the right one?

1841 & 1851 Tiverton must be the wrong family. Edwin/Edward is a quarryman.

 

[DaveHam9]

??
CARTER William 20 'Parsee' 1857 Moreton Bay Reels 2138, 2476

9 Feb

Labourer from Norfolk.

??
CARTER William 23 'Aloe' 1857 Sydney and/or Newcastle Reel 2138, [4/4794]; Reel 2475, [4/4965]

31 Jul

Carpenter from Dorset.

 

[horse]

A tree points to this death, not validated.

There is this..

Find a Grave:
Edwan J Carter
Birth Date: 1811
Birth Place: Devon, England
Death Date: 9 Jun 1841
Death Place: Plymouth, Devon, England
Cemetery: Charles Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place: Plymouth, Plymouth Unitary Authority, Devon, England

Birth: 1811
Devon, England
Death: Jun. 9, 1841
Plymouth
Devon, England

Edwin's father was John Carter who was Christened Marcy 10, 1779 In Launceston, Devon, England and died October 13, 1807 in Cornwall England.

Edwin's mother was Jane Ash Carter. She was christened July 21, 1782 in Devon, England.

Edwin and his wife Mary Ann were married in 1830.

Family links:
Spouse:
Mary Ann Stockdale Carter Martin [1805 - 1898]*

Children:
Ellen Mary Carter Bone (1837 - 1915)*
Jane Carter Robbins (1840 - 1933)*

*Calculated relationship

Burial:
Charles Cemetery
Plymouth
Plymouth Unitary Authority
Devon, England

***
Deaths Q2 1841
Carter Edwin
Plymouth
9, 249

Geoff

 

[horse]

Same tree points to this, not validated..

"Marriage
1846 • England
James Martin (1804–1853)"

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Geoff.

I think the census in posts 3 & 4 are correct.

Can the family and William be found in 1861?

I don't think the blacksmith is the right one so I can't see an assisted arrival to Qld. or NSW that fits.

Dave

 

[horse]

Can the family and William be found in 1861?

I don't think the blacksmith is the right one so I can't see an assisted arrival to Qld. or NSW that fits.

Nothing leaping out yet, Dave. Unless poor transcription.

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Geoff.

If Mary Ann died in Devon in 1898 then I can't see a death that fits.

If the remarriage is 1846 in Devon I can't find it.

1851 - James Martin 5

If William is not in 1861 census then arrival is 1851 - 1864.

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Wondering if age 45 in 1851 is accurate.

Mary Stocdale
Gender Female
Christening Date 18 Apr 1805
Christening Place MABE,CORNWALL
Father's Name William Stocdale
Mother's Name Avis

92 in 1898.

 

[DaveHam9]

??
Name Mary Ann Mrs Martin
Event Type Census
Event Date 1881
Event Place Tavistock, Devon, England
Registration District Tavistock
Residence Note Ford Street
Gender Female
Age 77
Marital Status (Original) Widow
Occupation Formerly Servant
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Birth Year (Estimated) 1804
Birthplace St Austell, Cornwall, England
Page Number 40
Registration Number RG11
Piece/Folio 2217/94
Affiliate Record Type Household

 

[rupert]

Web: Utah, Find A Grave Index, 1847-2012
Name Mary Ann Stockdale Carter Martin
Birth Date 6 Mar 1805
Age at Death 93
Death Date 11 May 1898
Burial Place Snowville, Box Elder County, Utah, USA


Mother Mary Ann with 2 daughts 1st marriage / 1 son 2nd marriage

New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name Mary Ann Martin
Arrival Date 16 Jun 1856
Birth Date abt 1805
Age 51
Gender Female
Ethnicity/ Nationality British
Place of Origin Great Britain
Port of Departure Liverpool, England
Destination Utah;United States of America
Port of Arrival New York, New York
Ship Name Thornton

New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name Jane Carter
Arrival Date 16 Jun 1856
Birth Date abt 1839
Age 17
Gender Female
Ethnicity/ Nationality British
Place of Origin Great Britain
Port of Departure Liverpool, England
Destination Utah;United States of America
Port of Arrival New York, New York
Ship Name Thornton

New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Mary Ann Carter
Arrival Date: 16 Jun 1856
Birth Date: abt 1840
Age: 16
Gender: Female
Ethnicity/ Nationality: British (English)
Place of Origin: Great Britain
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Destination: Utah;United States of America
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Thornton

Name: James Mather
[James Martin]
Arrival Date: 16 Jun 1856
Birth Date: abt 1846
Age: 10
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality: British (English)
Place of Origin: Great Britain
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Destination: Utah;United States of America
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Thornton


1880
Name: Mary A. Martin
Age: 75
Birth Year: abt 1805
Birthplace: England
Home in 1880: Harrisville, Weber, Utah
Race: White
Gender: Female
Relation to Head of House: Mother
Marital Status: Widowed
Father's Birthplace: Dublin
Mother's Birthplace: England
James Martin 33
Lydia Martin 34
Ada Martin 8
Anna Martin 6
Lizza Martin 2
James Martin 3m
Mary A. Martin 75
Wm. J. Harris 13

Rupert

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Rupert.

I didn't see the death in England.

Dave

 

[horse]

Web: Utah, Find A Grave Index, 1847-2012
Name Mary Ann Stockdale Carter Martin
Birth Date 6 Mar 1805
Age at Death 93
Death Date 11 May 1898
Burial Place Snowville, Box Elder County, Utah, USA

The early family links look good/consistent, similar comment in post #7

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

The only bit I really need to finish this is William's arrival.

 

[horse]

The only bit I really need to finish this is William's arrival.

Yeah, even tried narrowing it down with Maria's arrival, but no luck yet

Geoff

 

[rupert]

A possible?

in the New South Wales, Australia, Unassisted Immigrant Passenger Lists, 1826-1922
Name: W Carter
Port of Departure: Lark Holves Tole
Port of Arrival: Sydney, New South Wales
Voyage Arrival Date: 3 Mar 1857
Vessel Name: Venus
Origin Location: English
Cook

Rupert

 

[DaveHam9]

Perhaps not Rupert.

Port of Departure: Lark Holves Tole = LORD HOWES ISLAND :biggrin:

VENUS
of SYDNEY, P. S. RAELS, MASTER, BURTHEN 40 TONS
from THE PORT OF LORD HOWE ISLAND TO SYDNEY, NEW SOUTH WALES, 3RD MARCH 1857
Surname Given name Station Age Of what Nation Status Comments
Webber T. Mate English Crew
Philips Thos. A. B. English Crew
Wilson W. A. B. English Crew
Carter W. Cook English Crew
Merham Passenger
Tence A. Passenger
Harlleman T. Passenger
Mart ? Passenger