William De Fraine

[Roslyn Phillips]

My great great grandfather was William De Fraine who was born at Aylesbury in 1827. His parents were Thomas De Frain and Rebecca Curren. Thomas died in 1829. He had 2 brothers, Thomas (1823) and George (1824). Somewhere before 1858 he came to Australia. He married Miriam Prater in 1858 in Aus. I have been unable to find William in the 1841 or 1851 census in England. I can't find how or when he came to Australia. I would appreciate any help I can get.
Thank you
Ros

 

[p.risboy]

Hi Ros.

Have you had any luck yet.

Steve.

 

[gibbo]

Think i have him on a passenger list Ros:biggrin:
Took a while cause his surname was spelt a little different. It can also be common for their ages to be out a bit at times on the passenger lists.

Name - DEFRAIN William
Age - 27
Ship - Lady Macdonald
Year - 1856
Arriving -Moreton Bay
Reels 2138, 2474

A copy of the actual passenger list says his occupation was a barber and his native place was Middlesex. Does that sound like him?

Not sure if this will work but click on the link below and scroll down to 1856 Lady Macdonald and then click on that. When the passenger list opens up go to page 7 and he is about half way down.

http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/state...ing-aids/nrs-lists/nrs-5316#the-list-of-ships

If the link dont work or you have trouble finding him and you would like a copy of the passenger let me know and i will get a copy to you.

Let me know if its the wrong fella and i will have another look for you.

 

[gibbo]

A bit of trivia if its the right fella

Empire (Sydney, NSW ]
Tuesday 14 October 1856

The ship Lady Macdonald, having left England on tho 1st of July last, with immigrants for this port, is now hourly looked for to arrive. Labour was never more needed in theso dis- tricts than at the present period, and the arrival of the Lady Macdonald will be hailed with much satisfaction by those whose operations are cramped through the want of hands. We need at least ten shiploads of immi- grants monthly to fill up all our requirements in the labour market.


The link for the Trove newspapers is below just incase you dont have it. I have found it to be quiet handy at times.

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/search?adv=y

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[gibbo]

It sounds like you already have his baptism details but just in case......

Name: William De Fraine
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 07 Oct 1827
Baptism/Christening Place: SAINT MARY,AYLESBURY,BUCKINGHAM,ENGLAND

Father's Name: Thomas De Fraine
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Rebecca

 

[Roslyn Phillips]

Thanks everyone for your work. I do have his christening details, gibbo. But thanks.
I'll have to get back to my research but I have a feeling the William who came to Moreton Bay married a different lady and had his family in Brisbane. I have yet to be able to contact any of that family here in Aus but I'll keep trying. My William was a blacksmith.
thanks for your help

 

[gibbo]

Ros do you have your William's marriage or death certificate? Sometimes they will state on them how long they have been in Australia for etc. Might help narrow things down a bit maybe.

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello Ros & gibbo,

I can sort this out a bit because I have a William de FRAINE in my tree. I have the arrival of his mother in Queensland but not his arrival with his spouse. My William did live in Queensland. No NSW connections as far as I know after arrival.

Regards,

Dave

 

[gibbo]

Hi Dave,

So its possible the one i found could be the right one then?

 

[DaveHam9]

The right one for Ros or the right one for me? :2fun:

Let me gather some stuff.

My William was born 1824 Berkhamstead, Hertfordshire to William and Ann CHESTER

Age is out in the census. Looks as though it should read 27.

1851
C.P: Luton
County: Bedfordshire
Address: Ebenezer st.
DUTRAINE William T head 1829 age 22 ? [27] Lett.. Carrier Gt Berllhampertead, Hertfordshire
DUTRAINE Emma wife 1820 age 31 Luton, Bedfordshire
DUTRAINE William son 1847 age 4 Luton, Bedfordshire

No death has been found for William senior. It's not even known if he left England.

Emma ended up in Australia and no death has been found for her anywhere.

DEFRANE Emma 40 'Sultana' 1 Nov 1862 IMM/112 155 Z1957 M1696

This is my William, junior:

William Defraine b. 9 Jul 1846 c. 20 Sep 1846 The Chapel-Wesleyan, Luton, Bedford, England
William Thomas & Emma

Births Sep 1846
De Fraine William Luten 6 114 * Luton

No arrival have been found for William junior but he did marry in Queensland in 1868.

Death # 6 Jul 1914/C01038 De Fraine William Thomas William Thomas Emma Thompson


The 1856 one you found, a barber from Middlesex, does not fit for me or Ros, so we have a THIRD.

I had no idea there were two in Australia until about 3 weeks ago and now it's three.

 

[gibbo]

The right one for Ros or the right one for me? :2fun:

Let me gather some stuff.

:2fun::2fun: The right one for Ros.
But hey if it your fella thats just as good

 

[DaveHam9]

If Middlesex is correct then I'll check some stuff and see if I can find a third that fits. The barber does not worry me. Lots of the male family members were barbers and perfumers.

The William Ros is chasing married in NSW. I don't know that he would have arrived in Moreton Bay.

The family has been one of my problem ones and not just because of the variations in the spelling of the name.

 

[gibbo]

Yeah he married in Armidale

1205/1858
Groom DE FRAINE WILLIAM
Bride PRATER MIRIAM
District ARMIDALE

But not impossible that he arrived in Moreton Bay. Distance wise Armidale would be closer to Moreton Bay than any of the Sydney ports wouldnt it?
I wouldnt eliminate it as Ros's until its checked out further. No harm done if it isnt him but at least it wont be overlooked if it is the right one.
Or we could have 3 with the same name Wonder how many of them there are and not been found cause of the spelling altering.

 

[DaveHam9]

The Bucks baptism you found is the correct one for the William Ros is chasing. However the occupation and origin don't fit. I'd not mind too much about Middlesex but a barber is not a blacksmith or vice versa.You are right about it being closer than Sydney.

Buckinghamshire and Hertfordshire and Bedfordshire but not Middlesex for the family. I wonder if there is an unconnected Middlesex de FRAINE family. EDIT: Can't see one.

I also wonder if Ros has her William in any census.

Re Emma nee THOMPSON she remarried in Queensland so her death should be under her 2nd married name SLAUGHTER but still no one has found her death. Married 13 Mar 1863 and spouse remarried 23 Nov 1866. There is no divorce record in the index so it's a mystery what happened to Emma in 3 1/2 years.

 

[gibbo]

The Bucks baptism you found is the correct one for the William Ros is chasing. However the occupation and origin don't fit. I'd not mind too much about Middlesex but a barber is not a blacksmith or vice versa.You are right about it being closer than Sydney.

Barber and blacksmith. Its close tho they both start with B:2fun::2fun::2fun:

 

[DaveHam9]

But one is much shorter than the other. :2fun:

So can we find a marriage or death for a 3rd William?

 

[gibbo]

The Bucks baptism you found is the correct one for the William Ros is chasing. However the occupation and origin don't fit. I'd not mind too much about Middlesex but a barber is not a blacksmith or vice versa.You are right about it being closer than Sydney.

Buckinghamshire and Hertfordshire and Bedfordshire but not Middlesex for the family. I wonder if there is an unconnected Middlesex de FRAINE family. EDIT: Can't see one.

I also wonder if Ros has her William in any census.

Re Emma nee THOMPSON she remarried in Queensland so her death should be under her 2nd married name SLAUGHTER but still no one has found her death. Married 13 Mar 1863 and spouse remarried 23 Nov 1866. There is no divorce record in the index so it's a mystery what happened to Emma in 3 1/2 years.

On #1 on this thread Ros states I have been unable to find William in the 1841 or 1851 census in England

 

[DaveHam9]

I have been unable to find William in the 1841 or 1851 census in England

Oh. Yes. The topic is already too long and I've forgotten post #1. :2fun:

I think it is possible to find William in the census. Let me see.

1851
name: William Defraine
age: 22
gender: M
birthplace: Aylesbury, Buckinghamshire
relationship to head of household: Lodger
record type: Household

Don't know where that place is though. Might be Middlesex.

I can only find my William in 1841 in Herts.

 

[gibbo]

But one is much shorter than the other. :2fun:

So can we find a marriage or death for a 3rd William?

There are 3 deaths in NSW for WILLIAM DE FRAINE'S but only one fits the era

9427/1879 DE FRAINE WILLIAM THOMAS DIED WELLINGTON WELLINGROVE

There is one in 1935 and one in 1966 so their way out of the era we would be looking at.

 

[maryc2]

Hello Ros & gibbo,

I can sort this out a bit because I have a William de FRAINE in my tree. I have the arrival of his mother in Queensland but not his arrival with his spouse. My William did live in Queensland. No NSW connections as far as I know after arrival.

Regards,

Dave

Hi folks,
I pricked up my "eyes" when I saw the de Fraine name. Are you in any way referring to the Emma de Fraine who was the second wife of Alfred Slaughter Snr, who married him in 1863 and died sometime before 1866, as he married for the third time then, Ellen Matthews. Also Alfred Slaughter Jnr's daughter, Elizabeth Angelina Slaughter married a William Thomas de Fraine in Brisbane in 1868, and they appear to have had eight children. Cheers,
Maryc2