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William de FRAINE

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1851
HO107 Piece 1757 Folio 458 Page 42
Civil Parish: Luton
County: Bedfordshire
Registration District: Luton
Sub-RD: Dunstable
ED: 4b
No of Schedule: 159
Address: Ebenezer St
William T De Fraine Head Mar 27 Letter Carrier Gt Berkhampertead Hertfordshire
Emma De Fraine Wife Mar 31 Bonnet Sewer Luton Bedfordshire
William De Fraine son 4 Scholar Luton Bedfordshire


1861
RG9 Piece 1013 Folio 83 Page 6
Civil Parish: Luton
County: Bedfordshire
Registration District: Luton
Sub-RD: Luton
ED: 14
No of Schedule: 28
Address: 4 Dumfries St
DEFRAINE Emma Wife 40 Straw Bonnet Sewer Luton Bedfordshire
DEFRAINE William Son 15 Pupil Teacher Luton Bedfordshire
PEARMAN Mary Ann Lodger Unm 20 Straw Bonnet Sewer Ardley Hertfordshire


Where is head of house William in 1861?

When and where did he die?

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Possible if he went out prior to Emma..

Qld:
William De Fraine
Death Date: 29 May 1863
William De Fraine & Marian Hughes
Registration Year: 1863
Registration Place: Queensland
Registration Number: 000680
Page Number: 3678

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Oh! If this correct, may not be right William :rolleyes:

Find a Grave:
William De Fraine
Birth Date: 1827
Death Date: 1863
Cemetery: South East Queensland
Burial or Cremation Place: Moreton Bay Region
Spouse: Elizabeth Angelina De Fraine
Children: Charles Herbert De Fraine
William Vernon De Fraine
Florence Emily Clarke
Emma Gertrude De Fraine

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Something is very wrong Geoff.

With that and/or my tree.


William junior

Births Sep 1846 De FRAINE William Luton 6 114 ms TOMPSANS = THOMPSON

William b. 9 Jul 1846 c. 20 Sep 1846 The Chapel-Wesleyan, Luton, Bedford
William Thomas De FRAINE & Emma
Batch: J065912

1903 & 1905 QLD Electoral Roll - Kennedy - Croydon
De FRAINE William, McArthur street, photographer

1908 & 1913 QLD Electoral Roll - Kennedy - Normanton
De FRAINE William, Normanton, music teacher

Death 1914/C01038 De Fraine William Thomas - William Thomas - Emma Thompson

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Ok so which William is this?

Marriage 1868/B02488 Fraine William Thomas - Slaughter Elizabeth Angelina

The Brisbane Courier (Qld.) - Tue 29 Sep 1868 p.2
MARRIAGE
DE FRAINE - SLAUGHTER.-On the 25th September, at the residence of the father of the bride, by the Rev. Henry Woodhouse, William Thomas de Fraine of Brisbane, to Elizabeth Angelina, youngest daughter of Mr. Alfred Slaughter, jun., Postmaster, Sandgate.


Death 1863 and married to Elizabeth Angelina with marriage in 1868?

I don't have the 1863 death in my tree.
 

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DEFRANE Emma 40 'Sultana' 1 Nov 1862 IMM/112 155 Z1957 M1696

Death 1863/C0680 William De Fraine - William De Fraine - Marian Hughes

Ok something else is wrong

Marriage 11 Oct 1821 by Banns St Mary's Aylesbury
William DE FRAINE, Bachelor otp
Ann(x)CHESTER, Spinster otp
Witnesses: Thos De Fraine, Ann Warr

1841
HO107 Piece/Book 440/3 Folio 3 Page 1
Civil Parish: Gt Berkhampstead
Hundred: Dacorum
County: Hertfordshire
Registration District: Berkhampstead
Sub-RD: Berkhampstead
ED: 1
Address: High St
William De Fraine 40 Perfumer N
Ann 44 N
William 17 N
Ann 15 N
Louisa 12 Y
Betsy 10 Y
Charles 7 Y
Folio 4 Page 2
George De Fraine 5 Y
Philip 2 Y
 
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Ok so which William is this?

Marriage 1868/B02488 Fraine William Thomas - Slaughter Elizabeth Angelina

The Brisbane Courier (Qld.) - Tue 29 Sep 1868 p.2
MARRIAGE
DE FRAINE - SLAUGHTER.-On the 25th September, at the residence of the father of the bride, by the Rev. Henry Woodhouse, William Thomas de Fraine of Brisbane, to Elizabeth Angelina, youngest daughter of Mr. Alfred Slaughter, jun., Postmaster, Sandgate.
Looks to be the one b. 1823/24 :eek:

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Died in 1863 and marriage is 1868.

Three questions:

Is the one who died 1863 the spouse of Emma Thompson?

Are the parents of the one who died 1863 William & Ann CHESTER or William & Marian HUGHES ??

Did the informant get it right or wrong?

Arrival for the William who died 1863?

Can't find a notice for 1863.
 
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Died in 1863 and marriage is 1868.

Three questions:

Is the one who died 1863 the spouse of Emma Thompson?

Are the parents of the one who died 1863 William & Ann CHESTER or William & Marian HUGHES ??

Did the informant get it right or wrong?
I can only see as much as Find a Grave gives at present..

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The Find a Grave stuff is 80% wrong.

The children listed were born after 1868 marriage. And after the 1863 death.


Where is the marriage to Marian?

Where are any children born to a William & Marian Hughes?

Where is the death of a Marian/Marion de Fraine/Defraine ?

Very few records for the family on FreeREG and nothing before 1850.
 
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I wouldn't discount this as Wm Defraine..

Assisted:
William Dofram
[William Defrain] [User submission]
Birth Year: abt 1829
Age: 27
Arrival Date: 17 Oct 1856
Vessel Name: Lady Mcdonald

Image is poor, this is a partial copy for ID purposes.. Place/County on Right, see what you think..
 

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Thanks Geoff.

Aylesbury

DEFRAIN William 27 Lady Macdonald 1856 Moreton Bay Reels 2138, 2474


1851
HO107 Piece 1757 Folio 458 Page 42
Civil Parish: Luton
County: Bedfordshire
Registration District: Luton
Sub-RD: Dunstable
ED: 4b
No of Schedule: 159
Address: Ebenezer St
William T De Fraine Head Mar 27 Letter Carrier Gt Berkhampertead Hertfordshire
Emma De Fraine Wife Mar 31 Bonnet Sewer Luton Bedfordshire
William De Fraine son 4 Scholar Luton Bedfordshire
 

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That is curious Geoff.

The image you posted is not the same image that is on NSW Records site.

Labourer Middlesex

Aylesbury does not rule him out.

William b. 4 Sep 1800 c.21 Sep 1800 St Mary Aylesbury, Buckingham
Thomas Defraine & Fanny
 
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That is curious Geoff.

The image you posted is not the same image that is on NSW Records site.

Labourer Middlesex

Aylesbury does not rule him out.

William b. 4 Sep 1800 c.21 Sep 1800 St Mary Aylesbury, Buckingham
Thomas Defraine & Fanny
No and age only 4y adrift... I couldn't read his calling...

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I can't see a Marian Hughes.

I can't see anything in Trove for 1863 death.

A problem with the age and no baptism found.


Younger sister.

Name: Ann Letitia DE FRAINE
***: Female
Father: William DE FRAINE
Mother: Ann CHESTER
Birth c. 1826 Aylesbury Buckingham
Baptism 12 May 1826 St Mary Aylesbury Bucks

All later siblings born Gt Berkhampstead Herts.


1851 has Gt Berkhampstead for William but 1841 has

William 17 N
Ann 15 N
Louisa 12 Y

so I think Aylesbury is correct.
 
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