William de FRAINE

[horse]

The Find a Grave stuff is 80% wrong.

The children listed were born after 1868 marriage. And after the 1863 death.


Where is the marriage to Marian?

Where are any children born to a William & Marian Hughes?

Where is the death of a Marian/Marion de Fraine/Defraine ?

Very few records for the family on FreeREG and nothing before 1850.

Yeah, this info is looking flawed

Geoff

 

[horse]

William b. 1824, family still solid in 1851..

RD: Berkhampstead
Sub-RD: Berkhampstead
ED: 4b; Piece: 1716; Folio: 77; Page: 24

William Defraine 50 [b. Aylesbury. Hairdresser & Perfumer]
Ann Defraine 53
Louisa Defraine 22
Charles Defraine 17
George H Defraine 15
Philip Defraine 12

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Deaths Mar 1865 DE FRAINE Ann Berkhampstead 3a 271


No other William son of William in 1841.


Puzzled by the different shipping images.

 

[horse]

Deaths Mar 1865 DE FRAINE Ann Berkhampstead 3a 271


Puzzled by the different shipping images.

Yeah, not really seen that before

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

DEFRAIN William 27 'Lady Macdonald' 1856 Moreton Bay Reels 2138, 2474

The image I posted is from reel 2138 which is on-line on NSW Records.

Reel 2474 is at the State Library. That is the inspection of passengers on arrival - asking if they had any complaints, etc...

Also should list age, occupation and native place and parents.

 

[horse]

Also should list age, occupation and native place and parents.

Yes, it was assisted and before 1860

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

1863/B0488 Slaughter Alfred - Defraine Emma * 13 Mar 1863

The Courier (Brisbane, Qld.) - Sat 28 Mar 1863 p.2
MARRIED.
March 13, at Brisbane, by the Rev. J. H. Fletcher, Wesleyan Minister, Alfred Slaughter, senior, to Emma, eldest daughter of Mr. Samuel Thompson, of Luton, Bedfordshire.



Death 1863/C0680 William De Fraine William De Fraine Marian Hughes * 29 May 1863

Death has C not B so not the centre of Brisbane so could be an outer Brisbane area or anywhere in the country Qld.

 

[horse]

Something by the way, it was the William T that caught my eye, probably not yours...

Ireland, Grand Lodge of Freemasons of Ireland Membership Registers, 1733-1923
William T Defrain
Event Date: 10 Sep 1873
Event Place: South Brisbane
Lodge Number: 286

Geoff

 

[horse]

1863/B0488 Slaughter Alfred - Defraine Emma

The Courier (Brisbane, Qld.) - Sat 28 Mar 1863 p.2
MARRIED.
March 13, at Brisbane, by the Rev. J. H. Fletcher, Wesleyan Minister, Alfred Slaughter, senior, to Emma, eldest daughter of Mr. Samuel Thompson, of Luton, Bedfordshire.

This would surely imply William had died

Geoff

EDIT: Or divorced..

 

[DaveHam9]

Something by the way, it was the William T that caught my eye, probably not yours...

Ireland, Grand Lodge of Freemasons of Ireland Membership Registers, 1733-1923
William T Defrain
Event Date: 10 Sep 1873
Event Place: South Brisbane
Lodge Number: 286

Geoff

Oh. That might complicate things.

 

[horse]

Oh. That might complicate things.

Yeah, E missing and Irish, put on the back burner..


Geoff

 

[horse]

Going now, Dave... Speak later.

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Ok, thanks Geoff.

No de frain/defrain deaths in Qld. 1860 - 1980.

Dave

 

[p.risboy]

I know I've been here before with the deFraines etc.:2fun:

But................!!

1841 census.

William De Fraine
Age: 17
abt 1824
Civil Parish - Great Berkhampstead
Hundred: Dacorum
Hertfordshire
Address: Divan Street. ?? (Near the High Street).
Registration district: Berkhampstead
Sub-registration district: Berkhampstead

Piece: 440
Book: 3
Folio: 3
Page Number: 1

William De Fraine. 40. Occ, Parfumier or Pensioner.
Ann De Fraine. 44
William De Frain. 17
Ann De Fraine. 15
Louisa De Fraine. 12
Betsy De Fraine. 10
Charles De Fraine. 7
George De Fraine. 5. **
Philip De Fraine. 2. **.
DE FAINE, GEORGE DE FAINE. (no mmn)GRO Reference: 1837 D Quarter in AYLESBURY Volume 06 Page 249
DE FRAINE, PHILLIP JOHN. (mmn.CHESTER). GRO Reference: 1838 D Quarter in BERKHAMSTED Volume 06 Page 392

According to the census, all NOT born in County, except Phillip. I will say, it's not easy to distinguish the Y & N. But comparing what seems to be Y, it does seem to be N for the deFraines.

View attachment 3835

Aylesbury - Marriage 11 Oct 1821. by Banns
William DE FRAINE, Bachelor otp
Ann(x)CHESTER, Spinster otp
Witnesses - Thos De Fraine & Ann Warr.

Aylesbury Baptisms.
23 Mar 1822. Frances, daughter of William & Ann DE FRAINE of Baker's Lane, Hairdresser, private baptism, received into Church.
12 May 1826 Ann Letitia, daughter of William & Ann DE FRAINE of Aylesbury, Barber.

I'll leave you to it, been here before.:2fun::2fun:


Steve.

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Steve.

Yes, not easy to tell if Y or N.

I read occupation as Perfumer.

There seems to be only the one William in 1841 census born between 1820 and 1830.

Dave

 

[p.risboy]

I think Luke deFraine, or Father, Luke deFraine, may have took over his Hairdressers business in Aylesbury.

Most of William & Ann's children, baptised in Berkhampstead but born Aylesbury, I'm sure.
A look at the original register, or films would be an advantage, to read any details.

Steve.

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Steve.

Trying to fill in some gaps for the William aged 17 in 1841.

Dave

 

[horse]

Deaths, Qld:
1896 B28803 Elizabeth Angelina de Fraine Alfred Slaughter Esther Stockwell
1950 C265 Isabell De Fraine Charles Robert Martin Ann Hill
1945 S2759 George Ross de Fraine George Ross de Fraine -
1913 B17707 Maria Eleanor de Fraine William Vernor de Fraine Lucy Long
1947 B11817 Lucy de Fraine Thomas Long Mary Ann Drake
1914 C1038 William De Fraine William Thomas De Fraine Emma Thompson
1943 C469 Berhardine de Fraine John Ostwald Wilhelmina -
1863 C680 William De Fraine William De Fraine Marian Hughes
1885 B18187 Charles Herbert De Fraine William de Fraine Elizabeth Angelina Slaughter
1942 S536 Stanley Brakell De Fraine Thomas Henry Brakell Sarah Maria Marie Mallin

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Geoff.

If the one who died 1863 is not the one who is 17 in 1841 then I can't find another William in 1841.

Can't find one baptism let alone two for a William that would fit born 1820 - 1830.

Dave

 

[horse]

Thanks Geoff.

If the one who died 1863 is not the one who is 17 in 1841 then I can't find another William in 1841.

Can't find one baptism let alone two for a William that would fit born 1820 - 1830.

Yeah, something not right with these parents

There is this for a closer fit with the arrival, but father not = William, this one did go to NSW..

William De Fraine
Baptism Date: 7 Oct 1827
Baptism Place: Saint Mary,Aylesbury,Buckingham,England
Parents = Thomas De Fraine & Rebecca

Geoff