William (Edward?) Atkins. UK or N Z? c 1874

[brentor boy]

Marriage February 1919. Plymouth, Devon.
William Atkins, age 45, bachelor. Rifleman NZ. Sling camp, Salisbury. Father - William Edward Atkins (deceased) tailor. Bride - Bertha Hayman.

Bertha, with son Frderick sailed Plymouth to Wellington July 1919. Presumably William sailed on troop ship.

Burial. William Edward Atkins. Died 21 Nov 1933, buried 24 Nov 1933. Age 59. Hamilton East Cemetery.

Gravestone:- William E Atkins. 12956 Rifle Brigade. Wright's Bush, Southland.

Auckland museum war memorial. Nominal Roll.
12956 Atkins, William. Farm hand. N of K. Mrs L Wilkie (sister). Wright's Bush, Southland. (Mrs L Wilkie also shown as mother of Frank Reid Wilkie)

I cannot find birth of William ( junior) or death of William(senior) on NZ BDM.

Looking for birth/ baptism of William Atkins circa 1874

 

[DaveHam9]

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NZ Birth 1895/11621 Wilkie Frank Read - Alice Annie - Alfred Norman

Mrs L. ?

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Births Dec 1877
ATKINS Alice Annie Lambeth 1d 438

 

[brentor boy]

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Births Dec 1877
ATKINS Alice Annie Lambeth 1d 438

Thanks, Dave.

Looks promising (mmn Baker) but I can find no William Atkins (mmn Baker).
In 1881 Alice seems to be living with her aunt (Elizabeth McKrill),.

Annie Alice, mother of Frank Read Wilkie previously Keys. Cannot find any Baker/Keys marriage.

Cannot explain "Mrs L"

 

[gibbo]

I cannot find birth of William ( junior) or death of William(senior) on NZ BDM.

Is this the death for William snr you were looking for?

NZ bmd
1933/19414 Atkins William Edward 59Y

 

[gibbo]

Bertha, with son Frderick sailed Plymouth to Wellington July 1919. Presumably William sailed on troop ship.

It appears they may have arrived on the same ship.

Name B Atkins
Event Type Immigration
Event Date 01 Sep 1919
Event Place Wellington, New Zealand
Age 38
Occupation Housewife
Birth Year (Estimated) 1881
Ship Name Athenic
Departure Port Plymouth
Arrival Port Wellington
Arrival Place Plymouth

And his return taken from his military records.

 

[gibbo]

MATAURA ENSIGN, 16 JULY 1919

BACK PROM THE WAR.

THE ATHENIC SAILS, ■ 1 m TROOPS ABOARD (Australian and N.Z. Cable Associatioxjf Received July 16, 12.20 p.m. London, July is. The Athenic has sailed with 445 troops, in addition to families for New; Zealand.

NZ newspapers

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers

 

[brentor boy]

From Find a Grave:- Alice Annie (Keys) Willie.. Died 27 Feb 1897. Age 30

From BDM:- 1899. Alfred Norman Wilkie/Louise Caroline Higgs. " Mrs L Wilkie"

 

[brentor boy]

Is this the death for William snr you were looking for?

NZ bmd
1933/19414 Atkins William Edward 59Y

No, that's the son

 

[gibbo]

I cannot find birth of William ( junior) or death of William(senior) on NZ BDM.

Looking for birth/ baptism of William Atkins circa 1874

According to his military records William jnr was born England.

 

[gibbo]

Thanks, Dave.

Looks promising (mmn Baker) but I can find no William Atkins (mmn Baker).
In 1881 Alice seems to be living with her aunt (Elizabeth McKrill),.

Annie Alice, mother of Frank Read Wilkie previously Keys. Cannot find any Baker/Keys marriage.

Cannot explain "Mrs L"

NZ birth
1866/14570 Keys Alice Annie --Jane Susannah -- Alfred

NZ marriage
1889/295 Alice Annie Keys and Alfred Norman Wilkie

NZ birth
1895/11621 Wilkie Frank Read -- Alice Annie -- Alfred Norman

 

[gibbo]

This gets very confusing.

I found the military records for Frank Reid Wilkie. He states his mother was born Warwickshire, England. Must be 2 or more Annie Alice / Alice Annie.

 

[DaveHam9]

NZ Death 1897/783 Wilkie Alice Annie 30Y

NZ Death 1944/16176 Wilkie Alfred Norman 75Y

 

[gibbo]

This gets very confusing.

I found the military records for Frank Reid Wilkie. He states his mother was born Warwickshire, England. Must be 2 or more Annie Alice / Alice Annie.

On 2nd thought if he called Louise mum, it could be her that was born in Warwickshire??

 

[DaveHam9]

If Mrs L. is a sister of William junior ...

Louise Caroline Higgs then is Louise's maiden name Atkins? So far don't have her birth or death.

If her maiden name is not Atkins then ... ?

Who did William Atkins senior marry and where and when ???

 

[DaveHam9]

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HIGGS, LOUISE CAROLINE - SIMMONDS
GRO Reference: 1876 M Quarter in WANDSWORTH Volume 01D Page 688


One tree has this as the death but nothing fits.

NZ 1921/8665 Wilkie Louisa 57Y

 

[gibbo]

Somethings not adding up

Marriage and military both just have William Atkins but his burial has William Edward Atkins.. Same fella or 2 different people

 

[brentor boy]

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HIGGS, LOUISE CAROLINE - SIMMONDS
GRO Reference: 1876 M Quarter in WANDSWORTH Volume 01D Page 688


One tree has this as the death but nothing fits.

NZ 1921/8665 Wilkie Louisa 57Y

Possible marriage. Henry Joseph Higgs and Mary Ann Simmons appear on same page. Sep 1874 Wandsworth.

I cannot see how William Atkins fits into all this.

 

[DaveHam9]

If sister is a Mrs L. Wilkie then it's a search for a William and a Louise that fit. And nothing seems to fit.

I didn't find a William Atkins in England in 1881 who was a tailor with a son William born abt 1874.

How can Mrs L. be the mother of Frank b. 1895. Alice died 1897 and Alfred remarried in 1899.

Dave

 

[brentor boy]

Somethings not adding up

Marriage and military both just have William Atkins but his burial has William Edward Atkins.. Same fella or 2 different people

Army number on gravestone of William E Atkins matches number of William Atkins "brother" of Mrs L Wilkie.

Gravestone erected by "his wife and son". Bertha had son before marriage. William and Bertha childless.

William aged 45 when married in 1919 (b c 1874)
William Edward aged 59 at death in 1933 (b c 1874)

Mrs L Wilkie from Wright's Bush, Southland. Gravestone records William Edward from Wright's Bush.

 

[DaveHam9]

Louisa Caroline Wilkie 1905-1906 Wairarapa Wellington; Manawatu-Wanganui; Hawke's Bay

Louisa Caroline Wilkie 1911 Hutt Wellington

Nothing after that.

Assuming the 1921 death and age at death are correct that would make Louise/Louisa much older than William. It would rule out the mmn Simmonds.


If it is just Louisa then this is a better fit and it rules out the 1899 marriage.

Louisa Wilkie 1911 Awarua Southland

Louisa Wilkie 1919 Awarua Southland

Nothing after that.