William & Elizabeth Ann BATEMAN

[rupert]

I'm stuck

Look up thanks for 1881 & 1891 for William & Elizabeth BATEMAN

They married in 1874 and had children between 1873 - 1888

Bristol, England, Select Church of England Parish Registers, 1720-1933
Name Elizabeth Ann Needs [born 1854 Chippenham, Wiltshire]
Gender Female
Marital Status Single
Marriage Date 22 Feb 1874
Marriage Place Bristol, Holy Trinity St Philip, Gloucestershire, England
Father Henry Needs
Spouse William Bateman
FHL Film Number 4178868


I have her in 1851 & 1861, all her siblings but one was born in the Keynsham district using birth places as Bitton & Hanham. [just in case she decided to change birth region]


possible death [not sure about this one]
Deaths Mar 1900
Bateman Elizabeth 47 Keynsham 5c 527


Bateman- Needs births
BATEMAN, GILBERT NEEDS
GRO Reference: 1873 J Quarter in KEYNSHAM Volume 05C Page 705

BATEMAN, ALICE NEEDS
GRO Reference: 1874 S Quarter in KEYNSHAM Volume 05C Page 683

BATEMAN, KATE NEEDS
GRO Reference: 1874 S Quarter in KEYNSHAM Volume 05C Page 690 [died 1875]

BATEMAN, KATE ELIZABETH NEEDS
GRO Reference: 1876 M Quarter in KEYNSHAM Volume 05C Page 706 [died 1876]

BATEMAN, WALLACE WILLIAM NEEDES
GRO Reference: 1878 M Quarter in KEYNSHAM Volume 05C Page 669

BATEMAN, WALLACE ROWLAND NEEDS
GRO Reference: 1880 M Quarter in KEYNSHAM Volume 05C Page 678 [died 1880]

BATEMAN, WALLACE ROLAND NEADS
GRO Reference: 1882 J Quarter in KEYNSHAM Volume 05C Page 665

BATEMAN, HERBERT NEEDS
GRO Reference: 1883 J Quarter in KEYNSHAM Volume 05C Page 650

BATEMAN, BERTIE WILLIAM NEEDS
GRO Reference: 1885 J Quarter in KEYNSHAM Volume 05C Page 638 [died 1885]

BATEMAN, WALLACE NEEDES
GRO Reference: 1888 M Quarter in KEYNSHAM Volume 05C Page 635 [died 1888]

thanks Rupert

 

[DaveHam9]

No luck either year so far Rupert.

A TIPPETT family in Bitton with a Gilbert and a Wallace. Ages are diff and birth reg to fit census ages.

Dave

 

[horse]

Such a long shot... Following Alice Bateman.

Married Charles Gazzard 1892 Alice's father = William [no occ sadly]

1911
County: Somerset
Street address: 12 Riverside Cottages, Hanham
RD: Keynsham
Sub-RD
ED: 5; Piece: 14744; Schedule Number: 124

George Marsh 63
Elizabeth Ann Marsh 55 [b. Chippenham, Wiltshire]
Henry Marsh 21
Alice Jane Gazzard 12 g'dau [b. Hanham] - [GRO, mmn = Bateman]
Tursey Richard 73 boarder

Can't see a suitable marriage for George = Elizabeth.

Alice can be found with family in 1901 - Ref; RG13; Piece: 2346; Folio: 87; Page: 23. RD = Keynsham.

Geoff

 

[Bootzy]

following Geoff's post in ref to 1911 census..

Elizabeth & George Marsh married 25 years - 3 children living 3 dec.

Freebnd = Dec qtr 1885 Barton Regis Vol 6a page 359 George Marsh - Elizabeth Ann Needs

George b 1848 Hanham Gloucestershire

regards Val

 

[horse]

Freebnd = Dec qtr 1885 Barton Regis Vol 6a page 359 George Marsh - Elizabeth Ann Needs

Interesting, Val...

Also this..

GRO:
MARSH, HENRY GEORGE
mmn = NEEDS
1890 Q3 in KEYNSHAM
Vol 05C, Page 609

Geoff

EDIT: That would fit with the 1911..

 

[horse]

There's something not quite right

Can that 1911 family [George & Elizabeth] be found in 1901?

Geoff

EDIT: 1901 should be 1891..

 

[rupert]

Thanks for your help Geoff & Val


Elizabeth living next door to her brother John NEEDS


1891
Hanham Common, Keynsham
John Neads Head Married Male 23 1868 Coal Miner Gloucestershire, England
Florence Neads Wife Married Female 21 1870 - -


1891
Hanham Common, Keynsham
George Marsh Head Married Male 44 1847 Quarry Labourer -
Elizabeth Marsh Wife Married Female 37 1854 - -
Alice Marsh Daughter Single Female 16 1875 Shoe Maker Hanham, Gloucestershire, England
Alfred Marsh Son - Male 10 1881 Scholar Hanham, Gloucestershire, England
Henry Marsh Son - Male 0 1891 - Gloucestershire, England
Charles Garford Boarder Single Male 23 1868 Quarry Labourer Gloucestershire, England


MARSH, HENRY GEORGE - NEEDS
GRO Reference: 1890 S Quarter in KEYNSHAM Volume 05C Page 609


BATEMAN, ALICE - NEEDS
GRO Reference: 1874 S Quarter in KEYNSHAM Volume 05C Page 683

Can't find Alfred born 1881


EDIT: also mother Jane

1891
Jane Meeds Head Widow Female 60 1831 - Chippenham, Wiltshire, England
Tom Meeds Son Single Male 21 1870 Shoe Maker Hanham, Gloucestershire, England
Alfred Meeds Son Single Male 19 1872 Coal Miner Hanham, Gloucestershire, England
Charles Hall Boarder Single Male 20 1871 General Labourer Highworth, Wiltshire, England
Street Hanham Common
Town Hanham
Parish Bitton
City -
County Somerset
Registration district Keynsham
Archive reference RG12
Piece number 1941
Folio 116
Page 18


Rupert

 

[rupert]

This is interesting, though can't see a THORN/THORNE marriage

Taking another look at Elizabeth's parents & siblings in 1881 looking at neighbours I did find this.

1881
Hanham Common, Hanham (Gloucs), Keynsham
Henry Needs Head Married Male 52 1829 Stone Mason Hanham, Gloucestershire, England
Jane Needs Wife Married Female 51 1830 Stone Mason Wife Chippenham, Wiltshire, England
Joseph Needs Son Single Male 16 1865 Stone Mason Hanham, Gloucestershire, England
John Needs Son Single Male 13 1868 Stone Mason Hanham, Gloucestershire, England
Tom Needs Son Single Male 11 1870 Scholar Hanham, Gloucestershire, England
Alice Needs Daughter Single Female 6 1875 Scholar Hanham, Gloucestershire, England
Alfred Needs Son Single Male 8 1873 Scholar Hanham, Gloucestershire, England
Harry Needs Son Single Male 19 1862 Stone Mason Hanham, Gloucestershire, England
Ann Moore Mother Law Widow Female 72 1809 No Occupation Chippenham, Wiltshire, England
NOTE Moore formerly SELMAN nee PLAISTER

1881 Hanham Common, Hanham (Gloucs), Keynsham
Edward Thorn Head Married Male 26 1855 Labourer At Chemical Works Gloucestershire, England
Elizabeth Thorn Wife Married Female 29 1852 Cotton Weaver Chippenham, Wiltshire, England
Alfred Thorn Son Single Male 0 1881 - Hanham, Gloucestershire, England


THORNE, ALFRED HENRY - MEEDS Order
GRO Reference: 1880 S Quarter in KEYNSHAM Volume 05C Page 637

Rupert

 

[rupert]

Elizabeth living next door to brother Alfred NEEDS


1901 Common Road, Hanham Abbots (Gloucs), Keynsham
Alfred Needs Head Married Male 29 1872 Boot Maker Hanham, Gloucestershire, England
Mary A Needs Wife Married Female 29 1872 Boot Maker Kingswood, Gloucestershire, England
Alfred Needs Son Single Male 5 1896 - Kingswood, Gloucestershire, England
Lily Needs Daughter Single Female 4 1897 - Kingswood, Gloucestershire, England
Florence Needs Daughter Single Female 1 1900 - Hanham, Gloucestershire, England

1901 Common Road, Hanham Abbots (Gloucs), Keynsham
George Marsh Head Married Male 54 1847 Stone Hewer Quarry Hanham, Gloucestershire, England
Elizabeth Marsh Wife Married Female 47 1854 - Wiltshire, England
Alfred B Marsh Son Single Male 20 1881 Mason Stone Dresser Hanham, Gloucestershire, England
Henry G Marsh Son Single Male 10 1891 - Hanham, Gloucestershire, England
Charles Mayo Boarder Widower Male 70 1831 Cattleman On Farm Marshfield, Gloucestershire, England
Gilbert Needs Visitor Single Male 11 1890 - St George, Gloucestershire, England


Rupert

 

[rupert]

Somethings not right.

1881 census Alice NEEDS born abt 1875 parents are Henry NEEDS & Jane SELMAN

Can't find Alice NEEDS abt 1875 with mmn SELMAN


BATEMAN, ALICE - NEEDS
GRO Reference: 1874 S Quarter in KEYNSHAM Volume 05C Page 683

Rupert

 

[Bootzy]

Rupert,

Gloucestershire Prison records - County Goal - Henry Needs age 38 a stonemason convicted with a William Smith of stealing a clock from James ....? on 27 Dec 1868, convicted 2 Jan 1869 & discharged 7 June 1869.

Buried 27 April 1890 Christ Church Hanham

Married Jane Selman 15 May 1853 Bristol - (father James Selman)

1871 - Bitton - Gloucestershire District 7 - Keynsham - ED 7 h/h schedule 74, Piece 2499, Folio 98 Page 18

Henry Needs 40 -mason b Bitton Gloucestershire
Jane wife 40 b Chippenham Wilts
Elizabeth daug 17 single b same - cloth factory
William son 15 b Glamorgan Wales - mason
Mary J daug 11 b Bitton Gloucestershire
Henry son 9 b same
Joseph son 6 b same
John son 4 b same
Thomas son 2 b same.

1901 census - Jane Needs 71 a widow as housekeeper for a Richard Tansey - Bath, Somerset

cannot find death for Jane Needs but there's a death for Jane Tansey age 72 Oct qtr Bath Somerset, buried 28 Dec 1901 Christ Church - Hanham Gloucestershire

 

[Bootzy]

now I'm confused.... who are we looking for :-\

 

[rupert]

now I'm confused.... who are we looking for :-\

I had to switch off

Got lost too, I'm thinking most of the children in post 1 died though Alice BATEMAN I'm guessing is the one in 1881 as Alice NEEDS.

There is no sign of William BATEMAN, can't find any baptisms for the children.

Can't find a Thorn/Thorne marriage though Elizabeth born Chippenham living next door to her parents is a possible.

Rupert

 

[DaveHam9]

Marriages Jun Qtr 1853
Needs Henry Clifton 6a 215
Silman Jane Clifton 6a 215

NEEDS, ELIZABETH ANN - SELMAN
GRO Reference: 1854 M Quarter in CHIPPENHAM Volume 05A Page 62


NEEDS, ALFRED - SELMAN
GRO Reference: 1872 J Quarter in KEYNSHAM Volume 05C Page 721

GRO is very slow for me today.

The birth reg for Tom aged 11 in 1881 ??

I have no access to GRO or FreeBMD or a dozen other web sites in UK. I'm guessing this server is not in UK.

This reminds me of my Lewton/Lear/Hodges puzzle in Bitton.

Dave

 

[rupert]

Marriages Jun Qtr 1853
Needs Henry Clifton 6a 215
Silman Jane Clifton 6a 215

NEEDS, ELIZABETH ANN - SELMAN
GRO Reference: 1854 M Quarter in CHIPPENHAM Volume 05A Page 62


NEEDS, ALFRED - SELMAN
GRO Reference: 1872 J Quarter in KEYNSHAM Volume 05C Page 721

GRO is very slow for me today.

The birth reg for Tom aged 11 in 1881 ??

NEEDS, FRANCIS TOM SELMAN Order
GRO Reference: 1869 S Quarter in KEYNSHAM Volume 05C Page 687

Rupert

 

[DaveHam9]

Looks like Alice is the only one who didn't die young. Also looks as though Elizabeth's sister Jane is now regarding Alice as a daughter. Elizabeth remarried and living next door.

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Or it should read 'niece' but I've not seen the image. Taken as a daughter or assumed for 1881 to be a daughter.

It looks as though the children were all born after parents married so not much changing of names from mother's maiden name to father's name through the census. I noticed one name change after Elizabeth remarried.

Elizabeth married George Marsh as Needs but can't see a marriage to Edward Thorn.

Dave

 

[horse]

1891
Hanham Common, Keynsham
George Marsh Head Married Male 44 1847 Quarry Labourer -
Elizabeth Marsh Wife Married Female 37 1854 - -
Alice Marsh Daughter Single Female 16 1875 Shoe Maker Hanham, Gloucestershire, England
Alfred Marsh Son - Male 10 1881 Scholar Hanham, Gloucestershire, England
Henry Marsh Son - Male 0 1891 - Gloucestershire, England
Charles Garford Boarder Single Male 23 1868 Quarry Labourer Gloucestershire, England

Elizabeth, aged 37 says her PoB is Bristol on the transcription and the image

Probably doesn't mean much..

Geoff

 

[peejay]

Hello peeps . I just stumbled upon this site while googling. Henry Needs was my great great grandfather. His son Alfred, 1851 my G Grandfather. His son Alfred 1896 my Grandfather, who disappeared without trace in 1940. Have spent 30 years searching for him!