William & Elizabeth Hart in 1911

[Nightwatch4]

Could someone search the 1911 census for William Hart born 1874 in Aston, Birmingham and his wife Elizabeth born Elizabeth Sedgwick in 1868? They married on 22nd January 1905 in Aston.

Thank you,
Julia

 

[trace]

Haven't managed to find them in 1911....

Elizabeth Sedgwick birth Sep qtr 1867 Birmingham
she married Frederick Taylor in 1884

 

[Nightwatch4]

Thank you for looking Trace. Elizabeth was married twice and her second marriage in 1905 was to William Hart.

Julia

 

[stockpot]

wonder if he was the William Hart aged 35 died Aston Q1 1908 ?

Elaine

 

[horse]

wonder if he was the William Hart aged 35 died Aston Q1 1908 ?

That would work, can this be proved...

Marriages Q1 1909
HART Elizabeth
PAYTON James
PAYTON William
ROSE George Ernest
SMITH Fanny
Aston
6d, 379

There is this
British Army WWI Pension Records 1914-1920
Elizabeth Hart
Gender: Female
Marriage Date: Oct 1909
Marriage Place: Birmingham
Document Year: 1914
Relationship to Soldier: Spouse
Form Title: Military History Sheet
Number of Images: 6
Other Records:
Family Members:
Name Relation to Soldier
George Ernest Rose Self (Head)
Elizabeth Hart Spouse

Witnesses at the marriage were: John Rose and Emily Taylor, see image, Elizabeth also noted as a widow.

There was also a George Rose, witness at the 1905 marriage to William hart.

 

[horse]

Just noticed the BMD has the marriage Q1 1909 and service document has October [Q4]

Geoff

 

[horse]

His Attestation date was 1914, so he/they should be around in 1911..

Geoff

 

[Nightwatch4]

Elaine and Geoff,

Thank you for this detail, you've certainly thrown some new light on the family. I can't yet place Emily Taylor a witness at the marriage of George and Elizabeth Hart. I shall keep looking.
Interesting too that a George Rose was a witness at the marriage, I didn't know this either.

In the 1891 census Elizabeth and her first husband Frederick Taylor are living with his parents in Nechells Aston. There are two children to the couple, from the Census, Sibble born 1885 Birmingham and Polly born 1887 Birmingham but bmd doesn't give any birth records for these children born in Aston or Birmingham in those years. Could these be nicknames and possibly Emily Taylor?

Julia

 

[DaveHam9]

Hi Julia,

Possibly:

Births Dec Qtr 1884
Taylor Silvey Beatrice Aston 6d 362

Births Jun Qtr 1886
TAYLOR Polly Emeline Birmingham 6d 46

Dave

 

[Nightwatch4]

Thanks for this Dave, always a possibility.

Julia

 

[trace]

If that's the case.....
1911 Census 139 Cuckoo Road Nechells Birmingham, Aston, Warwickshire
G Rose 33 Gas Stoker b Hull
Elizabeth Rose 39 b Birmingham

 

[Nightwatch4]

Good evening Trace,

Thank you for sending the 1911 census info. I was wondering about the age and place of birth of George. There is a discrepancy in the age of Elizabeth if she was born in 1868 her age would have been 43 and not 39.

Thanks again,
Julia

 

[horse]

If that's the case.....
1911 Census 139 Cuckoo Road Nechells Birmingham, Aston, Warwickshire
G Rose 33 Gas Stoker b Hull
Elizabeth Rose 39 b Birmingham

Ah!

That also looks good. I seem to recall from his army papers he was a 'stoker' when I can get back in I'll recheck.

Geoff

 

[horse]

That also looks good. I seem to recall from his army papers he was a 'stoker' when I can get back in I'll recheck.

He was a 'stoker', also b. Hull, Yorkshire.

 

[horse]

Possible birth..

Births Q2 1878
Rose George Ernest
Sculcoates
9d, 193

Geoff

 

[horse]

1881
Civil Parish: Southcoates
County: Yorkshire
Street address: 31 Burleigh St
RD: Sculcoates
ED: 16; Piece: 4755; Folio: 103; Page: 11

Henry Rose 36 [b. Birmingham. Bricklayer lab]
Margret Rose 33 wife [b. Seeton, Yorkshire]
Charles T.D. Rose 5 son [b. Hull. Scholar]
George E. Rose 3 son [b. Hull]
Robert Rose 1 son [do]
William Ireland 39 boarder
Mary Ireland 15 [do]
Martha Elliott 7 visitor

1901 [Aston]
Civil Parish: Aston
Ecclesiastical parish: St Catherine
County: Warwickshire
RD: Aston
Sub-RD: Duddeston
ED: 46; Piece: 2872; Folio: 141; Page: 12

Henry Rose 60
Margaret Rose 54
Charles T Rose 26
George Rose 23
John H Rose 18 [b. Hull]
Catherine Rose 15 [b. Birmingham]

So must have moved to Birmingham 1883-1886.

Geoff

 

[Nightwatch4]

Hello Geoff,

Thank you very much for all the extra information and the attachment from his army papers. I was so pleased to see and read it all this morning. It has really helped me.

Julia