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William Henry BLAKELY

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1881
St Anne St 14 House 1 Court
Census Place Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
John CAMBELL Head M Male 50 Scotland Moulder
Ellen CAMBELL Wife M Female 40 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Moulders Wife
Anne CAMBELL Daur U Female 16 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Scholar
Mary E. CAMBELL Daur U Female 10 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Scholar
Wm.Hy. BLAKELY Stepson M Male 24 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Iron Dresser
Rose Ann HARMER Lodger W Female 50 Liverpool, Lancashire, England No Occupation

I'd like a look up please for William Henry BLAKELY in 1871 and 1891.

Variations include BLACKLEY, BRAKELEY, BRACKLEY, BLAKELEY

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Hi Dave,

This 1891 look like a possibility

CP Everton
RD West Derby
Sub RD South Everton

18 China Street

William Blakley age 32 born Liverpool occ dock labourer
Robert son age 10 born Liverpool
E Campbell boarder age 52 born Liverpool
Ann Campbell boarder age 27 born Liverpool

Class RG12
Piece 2945
Folio 11
Page 18
 

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Hello Julie,

Thank you very much. That looks like the same family with Ellen.

This is my William in 1861 and 1871. The William in post #1 was a possible for 1881 because of his occupation. I've not been able to find the connection for 'stepson' yet. That and the middle name Henry make me think it's a different William. I can't find a birth in Lancs that fits for my William.

1861
RG9/2658/f15/p30
Civil parish Liverpool
RD Liverpool
Sub RD St. Martin
94 New Hedley Street
Thomas Blackley head age 30 occ Iron moulder born Ireland
Janet wife age 30 born Scotland
John son age 8 born Scotland
Thomas son age 6 born Liverpool
William son age 4 born Liverpool
Isabella dau age 2 born Liverpool
Archibald son age 11wks born Liverpool

1871
RG10/3826/5/3
Civil parish Kirkdale
RD West Derby
Sub RD Toxteth Park
67, Westminster Road
Thomas Blackley lodger wid age 38 occ Iron moulder born Scotland ? [Ireland]
Thomas Blackley lodger age 16 occ railway clerk born Liverpool
William Blackley age 15 occ shop errand boy born Liverpool
Archibald Blackley age 12 born Liverpool
I'm trying to prove the one in 1881 is or is not mine.

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ref William Henry Blakeley, I only know of 2 in Liverpool in the 1850's.
One in our family tree and the other in a tree posted in Ancestry under Blakeley from west derby Liverpool.

The one you have listed is our William born abt 1857 his father died in 1857 and his mother Ellen Blakeley remarried a scotsman John Campbell they had 2 daughters Annie and Mary, Mary died aged 15/16. William married Catherine Mount and had 2 sons Robert and Adam, Adam died age 5. William had a troubled marriage, and was back with his mother at spell, and his stepfather John died before the 1891 census. I have not found his birth and death dates.

The other family you have listed, in my notes may have emigrated to Australia abt 1883
 

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Hello Adam,

Thank you very much.

The William Henry in 1881 is not mine. I will have to continue searching for my William. The name is BLACKLEY but appears with many variations:

Births Mar 1856
BRAKELEY William Liverpool 8b 7

1856 Birth in Sub-district of St Martin - Registration District Liverpool in the County of Lancaster
No 108 - Thirtieth November 1855 - 35 Eldon Street - William - Boy - Thomas Brakeley - Janet Brakeley formerly Neil - Iron Moulder - The mark of Janet Brakeley Mother 35 Eldon Street Liverpool - Eleventh January 1856 - John Simpson Deputy Registrar


1871
RG10/3826/5/3
Civil parish Kirkdale
RD West Derby
Sub RD Toxteth Park
67, Westminster Road
Thomas Blackley lodger wid age 38 occ Iron moulder born Scotland ? [Ireland]
Thomas Blackley lodger age 16 occ railway clerk born Liverpool
William Blackley age 15 occ shop errand boy born Liverpool
Archibald Blackley age 12 born Liverpool
Thomas junior is the only one who ended up in Australia. He is my great grandfather and I can't find his birth reg.

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Hi Dave
William ( Henry missing ) Blakeley baptisim St Marys Liverpool 08/05/1856,
Parents Adam and Ellen Blakeley, godmother Annie Mills.
He is my 2 x grandfather. Adam drowned in the river mersey 24/08/1857
and his mother remarried John Campbell.

Below I have pasted from my notes the information I have on your family, I only keep notes on Liverpool Blakeley familys trying to make a connection.
I hope it helps. you may be the Australian family I picked some of the information from.

1861 census

Thomas Blackley 30 Iron moulder, born in Ireland. Janet 30 born in Scotland. John 8. Thomas 6. William 4.
Isabella 2. Archibald 11 weeks. All the children born in Liverpool. May have emigrated to Australia in 1883. see 1871 census.

1871
John Blakeley aged 17, born in Scotland. Servant in Liverpool. (hotel porter) Russells Hotel 19 Houghton Street.
Maybe the son of Thomas The iron moulder.


Thomas Blackley aged 38. Thomas 16. William 15. Archibald 12. Also on the 1861 Census, from Ireland. Now without his wife and one son John., who would be 18 and poss left home. This family may have emigrated to Australia in 1883. See 1861 census.
This family is on line under Blakeley Liverpool England 1850, an Australian family researching their family tree. They are not sure if Thomas came from Scotland, and his father from Ireland.
Thomas age 38 is an iron moulder, Thomas 16 a railway clerk, William 15 a shop errand boy. Abode 66 Westminster road West derby. Thomas married in Paisley 7/8/1852, their son John was born 1853 in Scotland, and they moved to Liverpool about 1854 when Thomas was born in 1855. John and Thomas moved back to Scotland in their 20’s.

Baptisim St Peters Liverpool 05/10/1856, Thomas and William Blakeley children of Thomas a iron moulder and Janet, abode Elden place Liverpool.

I have not got their births listed. Check out a free site called 'Lancashire parish records', it still being updated. Also a free site inacityliving for old Liverpool photographs, to see how your ancesters lived.

I am still looking to match a william in my family tree, that is why I keep these note's.
 

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Hello Adam,

Thanks. Yes, I keep checking the Lancs. site.

Yes, that's my family. There is a lot of stuff in several topics here. Thomas the Iron moulder was born in Ireland. Some born Ireland, some Scotland and some England. A few who lived in England returned to Scotland. Some I'm still trying to trace, so don't know if they died in England or Scotland.

Thomas abt 1854 (baptised 5 Oct 1856 St Peter's Liverpool) reg can't be found. Census says born Liverpool but I can't find a birth in Scotland or England. He is the only one who ended up in Australia that I know of.

Thomas Blackley age 30 'Duke of Westminster' 31 Aug 1883 IMM/118 p.192 M1699
From Plymouth 4 Jul 1883 Capt Cox, Dr Woodward & Mrs Gunn ?
Steerage - Blackley Thomas 30 - arrived Cooktown 21 Aug 1883

His elder brother John was born in Paisley, Scotland according to census but again I can't find a birth in Scotland or England.

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Hi Dave
Our family history on the Blakeley side was passed down through the generations by word, starting with Hugh Blakeley born in Ireland abt 1800.
Hugh Blakeley. Adam Blakeley. William Henry Blakeley, ect also the family names follow, we now have lots of Roberts and Williams.

But it has not been easy to fill in all the dates, as the Blakeley name keeps changing according to the scribe at the time. The family keep changing their age for what ever reason.
William Henry when living with his stepfather John Campbell, was known as Bobby Campbell by the locals.

But I do think their may be a connection with Thomas the Iron moulder born in Ireland, as William Henrys grandfather Hugh was born in Ireland.
They all lived close together in Liverpool and worked in the large iron foundry close by in Vauxhall Liverpool, also John Campbell worked their.
 

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Hi Dave
I made a mistake on the last message.
It was William Henrys son Robert Blakeley who was known as Bobby Campbell,
It took us a long time to find that one.
 

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Hello Adam,

Thanks, that is interesting that there might be a connection. I have added as a note to my tree the details of William Henry.

Yes, there is a lot of variation in the records with the name. I still find it odd that Thomas seems to be the only one born in Lancs without a birth reg. I have found the reg for his sisters (all younger). I got a copy of this one and it's not my Thomas:

Births Mar 1854
Blekley Thomas W Derby 8b 357

There are puzzles I've still not solved re the family while they were in Lancs.

Would you like more details of those from my line?

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Hi Dave
Bleckely Thomas, I have on my file born December quarter 1853 West Derby.
I have listed him as belonging to the Blakeleys from West Derby, as he fits in with their tree. Have you seen that tree listed on line? I never made a note where the information came from which I normaly do.

Their may be two or the same person.

I am interested in Blakeleys from Liverpool as my family never moved since they arrived from Ireland about 1800. If you add more details to your line I can check my lists.

I have found that some familys travelled to Scotland first maybe from Northern Ireland, and later down to Liverpool, as at that time Liverpool was a fast growing port. Also a lot of Welsh people travelled to Liverpool
 

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Hello Adam,

I'll post the details of this one tomorrow:

Births Mar 1854
Blekley Thomas W Derby 8b 357

I'm not sure I've seen the tree you mention. I'll search again tomorrow evening.

I've gone through the Liverpool and West Derby births 1853-1856 again looking for a Thomas and that is the only one with a possible variation of the name.

I'll post more tomorrow of my family born Lancs.

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Births Mar 1854
Blekley Thomas W Derby 8b 357

1854 Birth in the Sub-district of West Derby Registration District of West Derby in the County of Lancaster
No 396 - Twenty-third December 1853 Poplar Grove West Derby - Thomas - Boy - Thomas Blekley - Alice Blekley formerly Boardman - Twine spinner - The mark x of Alice Bleckley Mother Poplar Grove West Derby - Thirteenth January 1854 - Richard Bradshaw Registrar
 

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I got this marriage because of the census and it's not the same Thomas:

Marriages Jun 1875
BLAKELEY Thomas Manchester 8d 264
SMITH Ann Manchester 8d 264

25 Apr 1875 Cathedral Manchester, Lancashire
Batch: M097897

1875 Marriage in Parish of Manchester in the County of Lancashire
No 260 - April 25th 1875
Thomas Blackeley - 21 - Bachelor - Surryman ? - 41 Port Street - William Blakeley - Brushmaker
Ann Smith - 18 - Spinster - - 17 Corporation St Hyde Road - Andrew Smith - Tailor
after Banns By me H C Smith
Thomas signed - Mark x of Ann Smith
Witnesses: George Andrew, Sarah Ann Elliss Andrew


1881
RG11 Piece / Folio 4285 / 34 Page 63
Census Place Barrow In Furness, Lancashire, England
Dwelling 14 Newland Street
Name Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation
Mary Anne RICHARDSON W Female 31 Cockermouth, Cumberland, England Charwoman
Mary Ellen RICHARDSON Female 8 Barrow, Lancashire, England Scholar
John William RICHARDSON Male 7 Barrow, Lancashire, England Scholar
Mary DOW W Female 71 Peel, Isle of Man, England
Thomas BLACKLEY M Male 52 Paisley, Scotland Iron Moulder
Annie BLACKLEY M Female 54 Northwich, Cheshire, England Monthly Nurse (Wet)

1891
Barrow in Furness
Lancashire
6 Back? Hartington St North
Thomas Blackley 65 iron moulder b Scotland ?
Annie 64 b Northwich Ches
William Cook lodger 27 b Lancs labr at steel works.

1901
RG13 4015/19 Page 29
Name: Thomas Blackley
Age: 74
Estimated birth year: abt 1827
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Scotland
Civil parish: Barrow in Furness
Ecclesiastical parish: Hawcote and New Barns
County: Lancashire
Registration District: Barrow in Furness
Sub-registration district: Barrow in Furness
ED, institution, or vessel: 31
Address: (School House), Sinkfall Lane End, Barrow In Furness
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 169
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Blackley 74
Ann Blackley 74


No mention of a 2nd marriage so did they marry and is it my Thomas or not with Annie ???

1915 BLACKLEY THOMAS M 86 PAISLEY /RENFREW 573/01 1005

Page 335
1915 Deaths in the District of Paisley in the County of Renfrew
No 1005 - Thomas Blackley Ironmoulder Widower of Janet Neil -
1915 August fifth 10h 45m P.M. 2 Great Hamilton street Paisley -
M - 86 years - John Blackley Mason (dec.) Isabella Blackley M.S. Maguire (dec.) -
Apoplexy & Hemiplegia 3 mos As certified by R Brownridge M.B. -
Archibald Blackley Son 24 Ferguslie -
1915 August 6th at Paisley Hugh Allison Registrar
 

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Hello Adam,

The four younger than Thomas in my tree:

Births Mar 1856
BRAKELEY William Liverpool 8b 7


1856 Birth in Sub-district of St Martin - Registration District Liverpool in the County of Lancaster
No 108 - Thirtieth November 1855 - 35 Eldon Street - William - Boy - Thomas Brakeley - Janet Brakeley formerly Neil - Iron Moulder - The mark of Janet Brakeley Mother 35 Eldon Street Liverpool - Eleventh January 1856 - John Simpson Deputy Registrar

name: William Blakeley
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 05 Oct 1856
baptism/christening place: St. Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
birth date:
birthplace:
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: Thomas Blakeley
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Janet
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: I05002-9
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1656426
reference number: item 5 p 80

I can't find William after 1871.


Births Sep 1859
Blackley Isabella Liverpool 8b 50

name: Isabella Maguire Blackley
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 2 Oct 1859
baptism/christening place: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
birth date:
birthplace:
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: Thomas Blackley
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Janet
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: I02265-7
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1068941
reference number:

name: Isabella Maguire Blackly
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 2 Oct 1859
baptism/christening place: SAINT PETER,LIVERPOOL,LANCASHIRE,ENGLAND
birth date: 06 Aug 1859
birthplace:
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: Thomas Blackly
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Janet
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: P02094-4
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 93888
reference number:

Isabella died 1873 in Paisley.
 

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Births Mar 1861
BLACKLEY Archibald Liverpool 8b 29

RD Liverpool - Sub-district St Martin - County Lancaster
No 263 - Twenty Seventh January 1861 94 Hedley Street - Archibald - Boy - Thomas Blackley - Janet Blackley formerly Neil - Iron Moulder - Janet Blackley mother 94 Hedley Street Liverpool - Twentieth February 1861 - John Simpson Deputy Registrar

name: Archibald Blackley
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 11 Dec 1862
baptism/christening place: Grove Street Chapel, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
birth date:
birthplace:
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: Thomas Blackley
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Jane Blackley
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: I02358-5
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1595425
reference number: item 15

Archibald died 1940 in Paisley.


Births Mar 1862
BLAKELEY Jessie Liverpool 8b 79

name: Jessie Blackley
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 11 Dec 1862
baptism/christening place: Grove Street Chapel, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
birth date:
birthplace:
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: Thomas Blackley
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Jane Blackley
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: I02358-5
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1595425
reference number: item 15

Jessie died 1907 Elderslie, Renfrew.
 

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Hi Dave
The Blakeleys from west derby family tree is on Acestry co.uk, if you are not on it you can acess this tree free, by google "genealogy in time magazine"
using their family tree search engine, I type in Blakeley Liverpool.
You will see Thomas and Alice nee Boardman in their tree.
They are a family that arrived in Liverpool from Manchester about 1820/30

My family are all Irish Blakeley, Burke, Malone, and Shannon. The Blakeley, Malone, and Shannon's arrived direct from Ireland to Liverpool and the Burke's arrived via Scotland.

It looks like your family arrived via Scotland.

The problem for us all the B.M.D'S are not on line yet, I am also retired,
and we have to travel to Liverpool to access the records and you are to far away.

My family are R.C. and ancestry have only Church of England church records

I will check your family as I get information in and let you know what I have.

The Manchester Blakley's I keep away from, their are to many they even have a part of Manchester called Blakeley. My own family is a problem on its own.
 

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Hello Adam,

Thanks.

Yes, mine from Northern Ireland to Paisley to Liverpool and some back to Paisley. Others like William I have lost after 1871. Mine are not RC.

Regards,

Dave
 

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