William Hill - Ockbrook Derbyshire

[robert shaw]

hi

i was wondering if anyone had access to the ockbrook burials for the period 1831-1841. im stuck on my great x3 grandfather, i cant find out which william hill he is out of several contenders christened about the right time, hence cannot go back further as i dont know his parents.

i know theres a william hill buried there in 1830, that i believe might be his father. ive seen my ggf's two marriage registers but neither mention his age nor his parents.

his last child was born in 1831, he was dead by the census of 1841. so i need to find out when he died (there is a candidate in 1838, but theres no info) and crucially how old he was.

thanks if anyone can help.

 

[Ellie7]

Can you share details of Marriages and names conserned ?

Ellie

 

[Ellie7]

1841
Borrowash, Ockbrook, Shardlow, Derbyshire, England
Rachel Hill Female 40 1801 Derbyshire, England
Mary Hill Female 20 1821 Derbyshire, England
Edward Hill Male 15 1826 Derbyshire, England
William Hill Male 13 1828 Derbyshire, England
William Hill Male 1 1840 Derbyshire, England
Eliza Hill Female 10 1831 Derbyshire, England


Ellie

 

[horse]

Hi

Ockbrook looks very close to Derby, there is a free service at DERBY GRAVESTONES. They may be able to point you in the right direction.

Geoff

 

[Ellie7]

Name William Hill
Gender Male
Christening Date 22 Mar 1829
Christening Place OCKBROOK,DERBY,ENGLAND
Father's Name William Hill
Mother's Name Rachael
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Name Eliza Hill
Gender Female
Christening Date 15 Nov 1835
Christening Place OCKBROOK,DERBY,ENGLAND
Father's Name William Hill
Mother's Name Rachael
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Name Edwin Hill
Gender Male
Christening Date 24 Apr 1825
Christening Place OCKBROOK,DERBY,ENGLAND
Father's Name William Hill
Mother's Name Rachael
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Name William Hill
Spouse's Name Rachel Mellay
Event Date 16 Aug 1824
Event Place Saint Dunstan,Stepney,London,England
Perhaps someone with Ancestry can look it up.

Ellie

 

[Ellie7]

First name(s)
RACHEL
Last name
HILL
Gender
Female
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Death quarter
2
Death year
1864
District
SHARDLOW
County
Derbyshire
Volume
7B
Page
231
Country
England
Record set
England & Wales deaths 1837-2007
Category
Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory
Deaths & burials

1861 Census Rachal states born Derby

 

[Ellie7]

https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/results?count=20&query=+subject_id:394809

Print Lis
Births and baptisms, 1746-1837; burials, 1752-1836
Author: Moravian Church (Ockbrook, England)
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Bishop's transcripts for Ockbrook, 1663-1858
Author: Church of England. Parish Church of Ockbrook (Derbyshire)
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Marriages at Ockbrook, 1631-1812
Author: Church of England. Parish Church of Ockbrook (Derbyshire)
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Parish chest records, 1704-188
Author: Ockbrook (Derbyshire)

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Parish registers for Ockbrook, 1630-1958
Author: Church of England. Parish Church of Ockbrook (Derbyshire)


Ellie

 

[robert shaw]

Can you share details of Marriages and names conserned ?

Ellie

hi

he married ann at ockbrook in 1806 , then rachael hutchinson at ashbourne in 1816 before moving back to ockbrook. he was a miller, but wasnt by the 1820's.

ive got those census records, hence why i know he had died by 1841.

but i cannot find his age at any event, there is no gravestone for him, his possible dad william, at ockbrook or local sites. his son edwin is my great great grandfather. i think my only chance, unless i can discover a will, is discovering his burial place (probably ockbrook) and hopefully his age was recorded. only then will i know which william hill was baptised in the mid-late 18th century.

cheers

rob.

 

[Ellie7]

You could try for a poor relief record ,as his wives could have claimed for a burial ,etc.

Edit-•As a result of the Poorlaw Amendment Act reforms of 1834, the parish became a member of the Shardlow Poorlaw Union.Edit-Derbyshire Record Office, New Street, Matlock, Derbyshire. Relatively few records survive — holdings include Guardians' minute books (1837-1890

Ann Taylor first wife.

Ellie

 

[Ellie7]

Derbyshire Record Office reference D2000 has deposited registers Bap 1643-1981 Mar 1630-1733, 1755-2000 Burials 1630-2001 Banns 1823-1955


http://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/Ockbrook,_Derbyshire_Genealogy


Edit-http://ukga.org/Registers/derbyshire.html
Edit-http://ukga.org/cgi-bin/browse.cgi?action=ViewRec&DB=8&bookID=21&page=64&submit=Next
Ellie

 

[Ellie7]

William Hill ,Miller of Ockbrook and Ann Taylor of Pentridge.Did not find any Hill marriages at Ockbrook before him.


Edit-must be Pentrich,Derbyshire ?
Edit- 27 Apr 1792 George HILL widower of Berwick St John, Wiltshire
& Fanny NEWMAN widow
witnesses: Charlotte INGRAM, George WARE
Pentridge

MARRIAGES 1714 to 1835
Interesting-http://www.opcdorset.org/PentridgeFiles/PentridgeMarriages1714-1835.htm
Edit-no mention of Ann Taylor to William Hill 1805
Edit-http://www.archive.org/stream/derbyshireparish05phil/derbyshireparish05phil_djvu.txt

Ellie

 

[Ellie7]

Think George Hill goes back home.
Name Henry Hill
Gender Male
Christening Date 31 May 1794
Christening Place BERWICK SAINT JOHN,WILTSHIRE,ENGLAND
Father's Name George Hill
Mother's Name Frances

Ellie

 

[Ellie7]

Name William Hill
Gender Male
Wife Rachel Hutchinson
Son Samuel Hill

Name Ann Hill
Gender Female
Christening Date 07 Aug 1808
Christening Place OCKBROOK,DERBY,ENGLAND
Father's Name Saml. Hill
Mother's Name Sarah

Could this Samuel be a Brother ?

 

[robert shaw]

William Hill ,Miller of Ockbrook and Ann Taylor of Pentridge.Did not find any Hill marriages at Ockbrook before him.


Edit-must be Pentrich,Derbyshire ?
Edit- 27 Apr 1792 George HILL widower of Berwick St John, Wiltshire
& Fanny NEWMAN widow
witnesses: Charlotte INGRAM, George WARE
Pentridge

MARRIAGES 1714 to 1835
Interesting-http://www.opcdorset.org/PentridgeFiles/PentridgeMarriages1714-1835.htm
Edit-no mention of Ann Taylor to William Hill 1805
Edit-http://www.archive.org/stream/derbyshireparish05phil/derbyshireparish05phil_djvu.txt

Ellie

yes pentridge is now pentrich , ann came from there.

not sure what you are getting at re - george. im abit distracted by what my mum uncovered 25 years ago. she read in a book about ockbroom that there were two millers, father and son, both called william. now i have failed to find any conformation about this in any local history books. however..

there is a william hill buried at ockbrook in november 1830. aged 70. now this could be 'my' great x3 grandad - but that would mean he married ann aged 46, and rachael aged 56 before he started having children. of course ann could be his second wife, not his first! maybe he did marry 3 times? his last child, eliza, was born in early 1831, so it is possible that he died before seeing her.

on the other hand william 1830 might be 'my' williams dad - supporting the 'two williams' theory.

Name William Hill
Gender Male
Wife Rachel Hutchinson
Son Samuel Hill

Name Ann Hill
Gender Female
Christening Date 07 Aug 1808
Christening Place OCKBROOK,DERBY,ENGLAND
Father's Name Saml. Hill
Mother's Name Sarah

Could this Samuel be a Brother ?

good point!!! now thats a line i hadnt considered.

there is a close link with the village of mugginton, about 15 miles from ockbrook. there are hills there, and its where williams second wife rachael came from, in fact their first born son - samuel - was born in mugginton. it also explains the marriage in ashbourne, close by.

a big thanks for your help so far.

 

[Ellie7]

Believe at that time if the Wifes mother was still living then they liked to go home for birth of first child.

Edit-are you aware that being in Ockbrook does not mean you were born there in Parish records.

Edit-Bacholor, age 21and upwards,usual abode for the space of 4 wks. Ann Taylor ,aged 21 yrs and upwards

Edit- both born c1785

Ellie

 

[Ellie7]

First name(s)
William
Last name
Hill
Baptism year
1781
Baptism day
12
Baptism month
Feb
Place
Alfreton St Martin
Parents
Samuel
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First name(s)
William
Last name
Hill
Baptism year
1783
Baptism day
29
Baptism month
Sep
Place
Morton Holy Cross
Parents
John & Hellen
Residence
Morton
County
Derbyshire
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William
Last name
Hill
Baptism year
1783
Baptism day
3
Baptism month
Nov
Place
South Wingfield All Saints
Parents
Joseph & Elizabeth
Residence
County
Derbyshire
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William
Last name
Hill
Baptism year
1786
Baptism day
30
Baptism month
May
Place
Rosliston St Mary
Parents
Thomas & Elezabath
Residence
The Grove
County
Derbyshire
Country
England
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Wm
Last name
Hill
Baptism year
1783
Baptism day
28
Baptism month
Jan
Place
Ault Hucknall St John The Baptist
Parents
James & Mary
Residence
Harstoft
County
Derbyshire
Country
England

 

[Ellie7]

Alferton 2.5 miles SW SK389525 Pentrich, Derbyshire

As you see I,m going with Samuel as father.LOL
2.2 miles NW SK389583 Shirland, Derbyshire ,does that become Shardlow ?
Alferton to Ockbrook 17.6 mi
Ellie

 

[robert shaw]

Alferton 2.5 miles SW SK389525 Pentrich, Derbyshire

As you see I,m going with Samuel as father.LOL
2.2 miles NW SK389583 Shirland, Derbyshire ,does that become Shardlow ?
Alferton to Ockbrook 17.6 mi
Ellie

no, shardlow is southeast of ockbrook, on the river trent next to leicestershire.

ive seen/copied all the births of a william in the 1780's, there are more and have william/mary as parents. that suggests the local historian who wrote that there were two williams, father and son, millers at ockbrook.

i have been unable to confirm this though. if i could discover who the william buried at ockbrook in 1830 aged 70 is buried alongside then that might confirm or not whether there was two williams. father and son.

rob.

 

[robert shaw]

hmmm

i cannot locate a death for william, still. his last child was bron in 1831/2 and his wife rachael was a widow by 1841 - the census.

ive gone through the parish records for all the known places he has lived - nothing. ive tried a countrywide search, but even that hasnt revealed where and when he died. (he was born by c 1785 but most likely after 1780 when his parents married - his father was born in 1760 so it does narrow down the range).

so where could his death be? ive no reason to think he joined the army at c45, perhaps he was imprisoned (he was prosecuted for short changing flour, but i dont know when). ive found no reference to him being in prison or even convicted though.

anyone any further thoughts?