William HOGGARD

[DaveHam9]

Deaths Sep Qtr 1852
HOGGARD William Bredon St Geo. Han. Sq 1a 144


Any record in NBI and can William be found in 1851.

Thanks,

Dave

 

[gortonboy]

is this him,,,only one down south I can find?

1851 census
District:
Saint Stephens

City/Municipal Borough:
Southwark

Address:
22, Wycombe Place, Saint George The Martyr, Southwark

County:
Surrey

HOGGARD, Robert Head Married M 50 1801 Carpenter
Southwark
HOGGARD, Phebias Wife Married F 47 1804
Southwark
HOGGARD, William Son Unmarried M 25 1826 House Painter
Southwark
HOGGARD, Thomas Son M 9 1842 Scholar
Southwark
HOGGARD, Elizabeth Daughter F 4 1847 Scholar
Southwark
HOGGARD, Edward Son M 2 1849

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks GB,

This one is a real puzzle.

Marriages Jun Qtr 1851
Hoggard William Breedon Southwell 15 985
Short Rebecca Southwell 15 985

Marriage Edwinstowe
16 June 1851 William Breedon Hoggard and Rebecca Short.


The William in Edwinstowe is a blacksmith son of a blacksmith and can be found in 1861 census married but with no children.

Spouse Rebecca and daughter Elizabeth are in Australia by at least 1863 and can't be found in 1861 census. Nor have they been found yet in shipping records.

Did they walk out on William?

Is it coincidence there appears to be 2x William Breedon/Bredon HOGGARDs ??

If Rebecca and daughter left England because spouse William died in 1852 then who is this married William in Edwinstowe a blacksmith with no family?

 

[horse]

Hi Dave

Rather than go round the houses, is there one piece of info that is constant?

 

[DaveHam9]

Known facts from Parish records:

Marriage Edwinstowe
16 June 1851 William Breedon Hoggard and Rebecca Short.

Baptism Edwinstowe
22 Feb 1852 Elizabeth dau of William & Rebecca Hoggard abode Edwinstowe father a blacksmith


We either have 1x William B. and Rebecca left England after he died. Or we have 2x William B. and Rebecca left him in Edwinstowe where he is in 1861.

Rebecca is in Sydney in 1863. :biggrin:

 

[DaveHam9]

The Sydney Morning Herald - Friday 30 December 1870 p.7
MARRIAGES
WAINWRIGHT- HOGGARD.-December 27, by the Rev. George Sheppard, George Pearce, youngest son of Mr. Jordan Wainwright, of George-street South, to Elizabeth, only daughter of Mrs. Hoggard, of Newtown.

Sydney Directory 1865 (Sands)
Hoggard, Mrs. Rebecca, fruiterer, Newtown

 

[horse]

William Hoggard
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1856
Registration District: Worksop
Inferred County: Nottinghamshire
Volume: 7b
Page: 18

 

[horse]

William Hoggard
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1856
Registration District: Worksop
Inferred County: Nottinghamshire
Volume: 7b
Page: 18

This may rule the above out...

NBI
30 Jun 1856
William HOGGARD
60
Worksop, St Mary (Priory)

 

[DaveHam9]

County Nottinghamshire
Place Edwinstowe
Church St Mary
RegisterNumber
MarriageDate 26 Nov 1810
GroomForename Samuel
GroomSurname HOGGARD
GroomAge
GroomParish
GroomCondition
GroomOccupation
GroomAbode
BrideForename Elizabeth
BrideSurname RADFORD
BrideAge
BrideParish
BrideCondition
BrideOccupation
BrideAbode
GroomFatherForename
GroomFatherSurname
GroomFatherOccupation
BrideFatherForename
BrideFatherSurname
BrideFatherOccupation
WitnessOneForename
WitnessOneSurname
WitnessTwoForename
WitnessTwoSurname
Notes
FileNumber 31142

 

[DaveHam9]

County Nottinghamshire
Place Worksop
Church St Mary's
RegisterNumber 470
MarriageDate 16 Nov 1826
GroomForename Samuel
GroomSurname HOGGARD
GroomAge
GroomParish Blyth
GroomCondition Bachelor
GroomOccupation
GroomAbode
BrideForename Jane
BrideSurname DALTON
BrideAge
BrideParish
BrideCondition Spinster
BrideOccupation
BrideAbode
GroomFatherForename
GroomFatherSurname
GroomFatherOccupation
BrideFatherForename
BrideFatherSurname
BrideFatherOccupation
WitnessOneForename John
WitnessOneSurname GRATTAN
WitnessTwoForename Mary
WitnessTwoSurname HOGGARD
Notes Banns She marks X
FileNumber 11215

 

[DaveHam9]

Neither of those were of help.


FreeBMD has the middle name:

Marriages Jun Qtr 1851
Hoggard William Breedon Southwell 15 985
Short Rebecca Southwell 15 985


I can't find a tree with William B.

 

[horse]

Known facts from Parish records:

Marriage Edwinstowe
16 June 1851 William Breedon Hoggard and Rebecca Short.

Baptism Edwinstowe
22 Feb 1852 Elizabeth dau of William & Rebecca Hoggard abode Edwinstowe father a blacksmith


We either have 1x William B. and Rebecca left England after he died. Or we have 2x William B. and Rebecca left him in Edwinstowe where he is in 1861.

Rebecca is in Sydney in 1863. :biggrin:

We are not sure how old William was when they mar. if he was an older guy and b. 1795-1800 ish, that would bring the 1856 death back in

 

[DaveHam9]

I have found some trees. :biggrin:

One has the death in 1856 but I think I can find something to rule that one out. Different parents as per family in census.

Two trees have his death in 1854 in Edwinstowe but I can't see such a reg.

They have his birth as 1826:

Baptism Edwinstowe
13 March 1825 William Burden son of Samuel & Hannah Hoggard father a blacksmith.



All seem to agree his parents were:

Father
Samuel Hoggard 1790-1849
Mother
Hannah Eldridge nee Massey 1790-1876

 

[horse]

Baptism Edwinstowe
13 March 1825 William Burden son of Samuel & Hannah Hoggard father a blacksmith.

Looks to be worth checking out

 

[DaveHam9]

Seems Rebecca's brother John & family arrived assisted to NSW in 1841.

I wonder if there is a deposit record for arrival of Rebecca.

I can't find these two 1851 records in FS:

There is a Rebecca Short born abt 1817 Grantham (Lincs) living in the civil parish of Edwinstowe, reg district Southwell in 1851.

1851 census Edwinstowe
Hannah Hoggard Head W 60 Blacksmith
Ann dau 25
William son Unm 24 Blacksmith

1861
There is a William born Edwinstowe who is a Journeyman Blacksmith born 1826
living with the Alsop Family on Town Street Edwinstowe he is Married but no family with him.

 

[horse]

Oh!

There is another crop of Hoggard's arriving 1853, I wondered if she belonged to them

b. Grantham, Lincs. is good, I think...

 

[DaveHam9]

Name: Robert Arnold Short
Birth Year (Estimated): 1817
Age: 24
Native Residence Place: Grantham, Lincolns,
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Anne
Spouse's Name: Maria Short
Spouse's Residence Place: Grantham, Lincolns,
Spouse's Father's Name: Thomas Beeken
Spouse's Mother's Name: Mary
Ship Name: William Turner
Event Date: 05 Oct 1841
Volume: 57
GS Film number: 416876
Digital Folder Number: 4117088
Image Number: 02909

 

[DaveHam9]

Rebecca Short
christening: 25 August 1815 GRANTHAM,LINCOLN,ENGLAND
father: John Short
mother: Ann


Can't see baptism for brother Robert.

 

[horse]

I can't see any reference to an arrival for a Rebecca and or Elizabeth within the time-frame

 

[DaveHam9]

Rebecca 1852-1863. Elizabeth 1852-1870.

Seems there are no other siblings for Robert & Rebecca.

She was a cook at the vicarage in Edwinstowe in 1851. Also 10 years older if that is the right William.

If the blacksmith baptised 1825 is the one then it appears he is listed as married but with no family in 1861 so why do all the trees have his death before 1861?


Coincidence the middle name is so similar ???

Deaths Sep 1852
HOGGARD William Bredon St Geo. Han. Sq 1a 144

I wish we could rule that one out.