William James & Helen CATHERWOOD

[DaveHam9]

Helen J Catherwood
Age: 27
Port of Departure: Sydney, NSW
Arrival Date: 2 Sep 1913
Port of Arrival: London, England
Ports of Voyage: Melbourne, Albany, Durban, Cape Town
Ship: 'Afric'
Shipping Line: White Star Line
Official Number: 110537
[Died at sea 22/8/13]

The Brisbane Courier (Qld.) - Sat 6 Sep 1913 p.4
DEATHS
CATHERWOOD.-On the 2nd September, 1913, at London, Nelly Catherwood, nee Richardson, late of "Bidston" Eagle Junction, in her 28th year. Advised by cable.

Date of death in the notice is the date of arrival of vessel in destination port.

I can't see a death reg in FreeBMD. ??

 

[DaveHam9]

1913 QLD Electoral Roll - Brisbane - Toowong
CATHERWOOD William James, Jones st., Auchenflower, engineer
CATHERWOOD Helen, Jones st., Auchenflower, home duties

So far can't find a birth to fit for William. Found a William John.

William J Catherwood
Event Type: Death
Event Date: Oct - Dec 1920
Event Place: Downpatrick, Ireland
Registration Quarter and Year: Oct - Dec 1920
Registration District: Downpatrick
Age: 35
Volume: 1
Page: 325
GS Film: 0101608
Image: 00160

 

[Bootzy]

William James Catherwood – The Age Sat 14 July 1917
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/...chTerm=william james catherwood&searchLimits=

William James Catherwood married 28 Nov 1912 Qld to Helen Richardson
a tree has Helen was buried at sea on voyage to UK 22 Aug 1913

William remarried Everett Dorothea West 1914 Vic

On NAA born Belfast age 25.5 in Aug 1915 – NOK Dorothea E Catherwood “?” 102 Victoria st Coburg Vic – still at same address on 1919 Vic ER

Catherwood William James : SERN DEPOT : POB Belfast Ireland : POE Broadmeadows VIC : NOK W Catherwood Dorothea C - file open

Probate The Herald Thur 5 Sept 1940 – Dorothea to William (49 Swan walk, Chelsea Vic).
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/244463882?searchTerm=dorothea%20catherwood&searchLimits=l-state=Victoria|||l-decade=194

The Argus – Sat 25 May 1940
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/12464648?searchTerm=dorothea%20catherwood&searchLimits=l-state=Victoria|||l-decade=194

 

[DaveHam9]

Well now. Thanks Val.

That does not agree with what I was give some time ago.

How do we know it's the same William J who married in Vic.?

 

[DaveHam9]

Engineer in 1913 and a Financier ? here ??

Does the 1913 have his occ as Engineer ?

 

[gibbo]

National archives uk

Reference: BT 26/565/109
Description: London: SS Afric (White Star Line) travelling from Sydney to London.
Embarking at Sydney, Melbourne, Albany, Durban and Cape Town.
Official Number: 110537.
List of passengers disembarking at London.
Date: 1913 Sep 2
Held by: The National Archives, Kew
Legal status: Public Record(s)
Closure status: Open Document, Open Description
Access conditions: Open Immediately
This is available to download from Ancestry

Wonder if the above would confirm Helen's death and exact date.

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks gibbo.

One of the images has 22 Aug. I've not seen the image.

Arrival of William back in Vic. ??

 

[horse]

Thanks gibbo.

One of the images has 22 Aug. I've not seen the image.

Partial copy for ID..

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Geoff.

Confirms William is an Engineer.

I have my doubts the William in Victoria a financier is the same one.

Dave

 

[gibbo]

Doesnt help any but for interest sake

The Brisbane Courier (Qld. : 1864 - 1933)
Mon 27 Apr 1914
Name of Deceased Proprietor.-Helen Catherwood, late of Auchenflower, Brisbane, wife of William James Catherwood, of the same place. Date of Death.-22nd August, 1913.
Name of Claimant.-William James Catherwood- aforesaid as Devisee in Trust.
Description and Situation of Land'-Subdivision 26, and resubdivision 2, of sub- division 27, of section 7, of portion 239, county of Stanley, parish of Enoggera.

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/19941334

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks gibbo.

27 April 1914. Pity we don't have the date in 1914 of the marriage in Vic.

 

[DaveHam9]

??
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/179823475

I've not followed that yet so have no idea if or how connected.

 

[DaveHam9]

Didn't know there was another one in Qld.

William Catherwood
Death date:11/06/1920
Mother's name:-
Father/parent's name:- Catherwood
Registration details:1920/B/32133

 

[DaveHam9]

No idea if connected or a totally different family from Ireland.

1894
CATHERWOOD.—On July 20 at The Creagh,
Londonderry, Ireland, in his 65th year,
Robert, eldest son of the late William Cather-
wood, and brother of William Catherwood of
this city.

 

[gibbo]

No idea if connected or a totally different family from Ireland.

1894
CATHERWOOD.—On July 20 at The Creagh,
Londonderry, Ireland, in his 65th year,
Robert, eldest son of the late William Cather-
wood, and brother of William Catherwood of
this city.

Way to old to be a brother of your William. Maybe the only way to find out if the VIC one is yours is for the marriage cert. to Dorothea and see if it has previous marriage info on it. Yeah i know they are expensive Im stuck.

 

[DaveHam9]

Yes. I'm no longer searching for any connection to the other Catherwoods in Qld.

The one in Vic. is described as a civil servant or clerk. He arrived by ship from Papua. But had bought medals in South Africa.

The one in Qld. was an engineer.

 

[gibbo]

Maybe your fella didnt come back to Australia or did he?

 

[DaveHam9]

I think he would have been in Qld. in 1914.

Gap to 1917 with the one in Vic. Trying to fill the gap or better still get overlap to prove we have 2x.

I've searched Trove again in 1915 and 1916 in Qld. and Vic. and can't find anything that helps.

 

[DaveHam9]

Death 63191/1971 CATHERWOOD WILLIAM AGED 80 YRS DIED SCHOFIELDS BLACKTOWN

Age at death ??

Seems to be another marriage or there are 2 or 3 x William James ??

The one in NSW an accountant.

Perhaps the one in Vic. moved to NSW. If so then do we have 1 or 2 ?

 

[Greentrees111]

I came to this via Twitter, I'm not sure if you've had an answer. I've found a death on the Death At Sea register door Helen Catherwood 22nd Aug 1913, place Afric, vessel name Afric. Archive ref BT334, box 0052, page 166, archived at the National Archive, record set BritishArmed Forces And Oversees Deaths and Burials. I haven't looked at the NA site, but because of Covid you can have a look at docs for free.